PeerCoin (PPC) Price, historic Charts and detailed Metrics
A brief history of the 2013 market peak; why some alts really do die; and what would've happened if you'd given in to FOMO
This piece is a follow-up to my earlier piece, which looked at what would’ve happened if you’d purchased alt-coins shortly after the bottom of the 2013-2015 bear market. A lot of the constructive criticism that I received was that I was too bullish on alt-coins, and that the timing was too convenient. Although it’s fair to say that I am bullish on crypto in general and alt-coins in particular (with several major caveats for both), I agree that it’s important to not just focus on historical analyses where it’s fairly clear that you could have earned money. So, today’s research question is whether you’d still be underwater if you’d bought in to the market at or near the 2013 all-time high. All information cited herein comes from the historical charts available at CoinMarketCap. TL;DR: This worst-case scenario analysis shows that $300 invested equally across 15 of the 40 coins in existence near the market’s peak in 2013 would be worth only $429.95 today—gains which are entirely attributable to Bitcoin, Litecoin, and Ripple. This is basic, but it can be dangerous to buy high. This is especially true of alt-coins, but even the top three coins in our sample saw fairly lackluster results when bought at the top of the market. Finally, nothing in this post should be taken as investment advice. This is only intended as historical analysis. Past performance does not guarantee future returns. A Brief History of the 2013 Market Peak According to CoinMarketCap, the 2013 bull market peaked on December 4, 2013, at ~$15.87 billion in market capitalization.* Thereafter, the market crashed dramatically not once, but twice. In the first crash, which occurred between December 5-8, 2013, overall market cap fell by ~39% to ~$9.66 billion. Then, after a brief recovery to ~$13.57 billion on December 10th, the market fell precipitously, to ~$5.7 billion on December 18, 2013. Thus, over the course of only two weeks, from December 4-18, 2013, the market lost ~64% of its value. Although this was by no means the end of the 2013-2015 bear market--which lasted for approximately 17 months and saw an additional decline of ~45% from the December 18, 2013 low--this was the end of the beginning. What If I Bought Crypto Right as the 2013 Market Peaked? Generally, the first rule of trading is** that you want to buy low and sell high. As a result of their fear of missing out (“FOMO”), however, many people find themselves accidentally buying high. Today, I’m going to look at what would have happened to someone who bought their crypto right as the market was peaking. Ideally, I would run this experiment from December 4, 2013, but due to the limited data available from CoinMarketCap, I’m forced to choose between November 24th, December 1st, December 8th, and December 15th. Of those dates, I have selected December 1, 2013, because it represents the worst possible scenario for which I have data. On that date, total crypto market cap, which had hit a new high of ~$15.4 billion the day before, swung wildly between a high of ~$14.83 billion and a low of ~$12.18 billion. Unfortunately, it’s unclear exactly when CoinMarketCap’s snapshot was taken. That said, it’s clear that our hypothetical FOMO trader is about to lose his shirt over the next few weeks, so let’s dive into the specifics. On December 1, 2013, there were 40 coins listed on CoinMarketCap. I won’t list them all here, but of those 40, all but 11 are still listed as active on CoinMarketCap. The truly dead (or “inactive”) coins are BBQCoin (BQC; rank 16), Devcoin (DVC; rank 19), Tickets (TIX; rank 22), Copperlark (CLR; rank 24), StableCoin (SBC; rank 25), Luckycoin (LKY—ironic, I realize; rank 31), Franko (FRK; rank 34), Bytecoin (BTE; rank 35), Junkcoin (JKE—how apt; rank 36), CraftCoin (CRC; rank 39), and Colossuscoin (COL; rank 40).*** Now, since this post is already incredibly long, instead of testing all 40 coins, let’s take a decently-sized sample of five coins each from the top, middle, and bottom of the stack, and look at what happens. For the middle, although the temptation is to take decent alts, let’s fight that and take the group with the highest failure rate: ranks 21-25. So, here’s out pool:
Top Five: Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ripple, Peercoin, and Namecoin
Middle Five: Yacoin, Tickets, Ixcoin, Copperlark, and Stablecoin (ranks 21-25)
Bottom Five: Junkcoin, Argentum, Elacoin, CraftCoin, and Colossuscoin (ranks 36-40)
Now, here are how our sample of coins has performed as of when I write this:****
Bitcoin: Up from $1,083.14 to $6,957.99—a ~6.42x increase
Litecoin: Up from $39.77 to $117.43—a ~2.95x increase
Ripple: Up from $0.047034 to $0.527721—an ~11.22x increase
Peercoin: Down from $7.58 to $1.62—a ~78.6% loss
Namecoin: Down from $9.94 to $1.52—an 84.7% loss
So, if our hypothetical FOMO trader had invested $100 in our top-five sample near the 2013 peak, it would currently be worth $411.80 (the profitable coins) + $3.06 (PPC) + $4.27 (NMC) = $419.13—a 4.19x increase. Now for the two coins in the middle five that didn’t completely die:
Yacoin: Down from $0.311704 to $0.001025—a ~99.7% loss (Note: Since a $20 investment would only be worth a little over six cents, I’m calling this a total loss)
Ixcoin: Down from $0.146275 to 0.111126—a ~24% loss
So, if our hypothetical FOMO trader had invested $100 in our middle-five sample near the 2013 peak, it would currently be worth ~$15.19—an ~84.8% loss. Finally, here are the two coins from the bottom five that didn’t completely die:
Elacoin: Down from $10.95 to $0.212289—a ~98% loss (Note: since this is only worth about $0.39, I’m calling this a total loss)
Argentum: Down from $0.793038 to $0.117466—an ~85.2% loss.
So, excluding everything buy Argentum, if our hypothetical FOMO trader had invested $100 in our bottom-five sample near the 2013 peak, it would currently be worth ~$2.96—a ~97% loss. Putting it all together, $300 invested in this sample of 15 coins as close to the peak of the 2013 market as the data will let me get, would be worth $429.95—a disappointing, but not-unexpected ~30.2% increase over five years. That said, I’m honestly somewhat amazed our FOMO trader made anything at all on this basket of coins, considering how many of them failed. In any case, all of his gains came from the top-three coins from 2013: Bitcoin, Litecoin, and Ripple. Conclusions What’s the lesson here, what’s the takeaway?***** Most importantly, I think the above analysis shows that it can be very dangerous to buy alt-coins when the market is at or near an all-time high—a conclusion that appears to be true regardless of where the alt is positioned in the market. That said, there are a few caveats: (1) this sample was intentionally bad, in order to reflect a worst-case scenario; (2) even buying the top-three coins at the all-time high didn’t net our FOMO trader particularly large gains when compared to someone who bought these same coins after the crash. Therefore, I think that the most important lesson here is not to buy high in the first place. Investing solely because of FOMO will probably cause you to lose money, unless you have invested equally in a broad range of cryptocurrencies, like the trader in our hypothetical. Even then, however, our FOMO trader probably would have done better investing in an S&P Index fund over the same period. Endnotes *This is a correction to my earlier piece, in which I stated that the cryptocurrency market peaked on November 30, 2013, at a total market capitalization of ~$15.2 billion. I made this error due to having failed to narrow the date range of the chart so I could properly zoon in. That said, the exact details of the market peak don’t affect the conclusions from my last piece, which considered trades made after the market had bottomed out. ** …you do not talk about trading. Wait, that’s the wrong rulebook. *** Since I already typed it out, here’s the list of remaining active coins, in descending order: Bitcoin (BTC), Litecoin (LTC), Ripple (XRP), Peercoin (PPC), Namecoin (NMC), Megacoin (MEC), Feathercoin (FTC), WorldCoin (WDC), Primecoin (XPM), Freicoin (FRC), Novacoin (NVC), Zetacoin (ZET), Infinitecoin (IFC), Terracoin (TRC), Crypto Bullion (CBX), Anoncoin (ANC), Digitalcoin (DGC), GoldCoin (GLD), Yacoin (YAC), Ixcoin (IXC), Fastcoin (FST), BitBar (BTB), Mincoin (MNC), Tagcoin (TAG), FlorinCoin (FLO), I0Coin (I0C), Phoenixcoin (PXC), Argentum (ARG), Elacoin (ELC) **** I know that we could have sold them sooner, and probably for more money, but let’s just assume that our hypothetical FOMO trader was a founding member of the #hodlgang. ;-) ***** Don’t mess with Maui when he’s on a breakaway! You’re welcome. ;-) Disclosures: I have previous held Litecoin, and currently hold approximately $140 of Ripple. I do not believe this influenced my analysis in any way. I have never bought or held any of the other coins discussed in this analysis. Edits: Formatting, typos, minor clarifications.
There is a discussion about nodes that came up today, where it seems I'm discouraging people from running the full QT/Core client. Yes and No. What I'm trying to make sure people understand is how things work, and that it is NOT mandatory to run a client in order to use Dogecoins (and yes, I realise that browser-based tools like coinb.in and wallet sweepers are 'clients' by strict definition). That said, more nodes is absolutely a good thing for the network. Preferrably full nodes. How do you run a full node? Just run Core/QT and open up Port 22556 on your router so it can connect to more than 8 peers. What will it cost you? You need your machine to be on 24/7/365, you need enough storage for the full blockchain (currently about 20Gb. Bitcoin is over 120Gb) and enough bandwidth to keep it in sync and share blocks with peers. A couple of Gb a month, most likely. This is best done with a desktop on a wired broadband link. Or maybe a hosted VM in the cloud. :)
EDIT 2017-01-09: Wallets WITHOUT Clients
Since I started helping people on /BitcoinBeginners, I'm getting a lot of questions about how to use wallets without running clients or trusting third parties. So here are a couple of resources that will make that possible, and not just for Dogecoin: Multi-Coin Wallet GeneratorNow supporting 129 currencies!Coinb.in Start by setting the currency, found in the gear wheel in the Broadcast tab. Dogecoin Wallet Sweeper Redeem 'paper' wallets containing up to about 100 UTXOs. Bitinfo Charts My favourite block explorer, handles a bunch of cryptos. Using these resources, it is possible to hold, receive and spend coins in various currencies, without having to run QT or a 'lite' client. You can also download and run the pages on your own device.
EDIT 2016-11-23: SEMANTICS about MINING! :P
Even though there is already a section on mining below, it has been suggested given the huge number of posts on the subject that this needs to be made clearer. Since people get their panties in a twist over the word 'dead', lets change that...
MINING IS DEAD!
MINING DOGECOIN IS UNPROFITABLE!
Put simply, there is no way to mine Dogecoin and make a profit because of the massive hashpower provided by industrial-scale Litecoin miners. Mining Doge directly stopped being viable when our hashrate exploded with the introduction of AuxPoW. Mining with CPU's and GPU's died when ASICs were introduced. And mining with a laptop WILL kill your laptop and cost you a fortune to repair or replace. Mining Litecoin with an exchange that also mines Doge and others will earn less than the electricity consumed, and you won't recover your costs. Probably ever, but certainly not in any reasonable time. Mining other currencies may be a thing, but that's beyond our scope here. This is /Dogecoin, not /GetRichMiningCryptos after all. If you want to mine the newest scamcoin for fun and profit, look elsewhere for advice. :/ Oh, and most important:
READ BEFORE YOU POST!
At any given time, there are half a dozen posts on the frontpage just like the one you're about to write, where the answers have already been given. Read them. Don't make people waste their time repeating themselves because you were too lazy to bother reading stuff. :P So there I was, having a quiet Sundy arvo bludge, as you do, when 42points turned up on Facebook and asked me to write a new sticky post for /dogecoin. Why would he do this, when he should be having a bludge himself, I hear you ask? Well, seems he was doing exactly that, and wanted to fob off the work he’s too slack to do himself. ;) Ah well, being a sucker for punishment, I’ll grudgingly oblige I guess. OK, first things first.
A client is a piece of software you keep on your computer which holds one or more wallets. Here are the current client versions. If you're using an older client please upgrade to the newest version prior to sending/receiving coins. Backup! Backup! Backup your wallet.dat file or private key so you can import them into the latest version of the client.
Be warned that unless you’re running Core (aka QT), you could have issues with wallets containing lots of UTXOs (Unspent Transaction Outputs - Where your coins REALLY live). Go read the ELI5 below, and keep a close eye on your transaction counts. If you DO run Core, realise that all full clients, regardless of the coin, require a copy of the blockchain and must keep it up to date. This will cost you time, storage space and bandwidth. You can save a little by downloading the bootstrap file though. I haven’t checked how recent this one is, so let me know if you find a more current version.
OK, so next, grab this wallet generator. Even if you plan on running a client(s). Because a) it does many, many cryptocurrencies, and b) you WILL need wallets at some stage over and above what you keep in your clients. Just be sure to run it locally (and offline if you’re truly paranoid).
Oh, and here’s a simple way to keep track of all your wallets using HTML. You can grab the source and modify it, then upload it wherever you need to suit your needs. You will also want a separate file with your private keys, but don’t upload that one anywhere, because if you lose your keys or someone else gets access to them, you will lose your coins.
Next, be aware that there are online wallets available. While any wallet you don’t own the keys to isn’t actually yours, and therefore isn’t safe, the following are safer than most. Dogetipbot of course is used daily by shibes on Reddit. Block.io uses multisig and gives you Doge, BTC and LTC wallets as well as testnets, and Dogechain gives you your private keys (and also offers a wallet sweeping service).
Exchanges also offer wallets, of course. Not that you should use them to store your hard-earned coins, because they can and do get hacked with monotonous regularity. But at some stage you’re going to want to trade, or hold a few uncommon coins. You could do worse than these three:
And then there’s the obligatory question of mining. Put simply, mining is for all intents and purposes dead, and has been for a long time now. The costs are greater than any possible returns. But, if you insist on doing it anyway, maybe because you inherited a miner, you can earn about 0.01 LTC/day per MH/s merge-mining at Litecoinpool. That’s about 4 cents. :(
Shibes sometimes complain that the devs are not as active in /dogecoin as they used to be. You can find them on IRC, slack or their very own sub if you need them though. Or poke sporklin, who can often help.
You can of course ask any questions here, or post them in the sub. However, do try searching first, because I guarantee every possible question has been asked many times before. And you should also subscribe and hang out in /dogeducation occasionally. There’s much awesomeness there.
From peoplma I was wondering if you could add just a couple things. A link to the coinomi android wallet, it's probably the best one out there. And a sentence somewhere along the lines of "if you need help with any dogecoin software you are welcome to make a post, but PLEASE include your OS, version number of the client, and any relevant transaction IDs that you are willing to share" if you can fit that in somewhere. Also, if you want to link to Prohashing, I'm pretty sure it's the only Scrypt mining pool that will actually pay out in doge. The others I know of pay out in litecoin or bitcoin. And it's a profit switching multipool, so gives a better return than just mining ltc/doge. And there's these two wiki articles I thought would be helpful to link /dogecoin/wiki/technical for those technically minded newbies or intermediate users who want to dig a little deeper. And maybe a link to /dogecoin/wiki/dogecoincoreguide next to the link for dogecoin core. From pts2002 Finally a proper sticky post! Here's some other stuff you could add: zpool.ca mining pool - You can get paid in pretty much any coin, and you can mine in multiple algos (currently mining lyra2v2 with my GPU). Doing about 500Ð/day shapeshift.io exchange - My favourite exchange, quick and easy. No registration required! Also, you should add some blockchain explorers! chain.so - Support for bitcoin, litecoin and doge. dogechain.info - Official blockchain explorer. Includes a wallet (already mentioned). Live update currently not working (?) EDIT: Here's another thing I found! preev.com currency value calculator - Easy way to check the value of your dogecoins (or bitcoins, or litecoins, or peercoins)!
There will never be consensus. There will never be consensus. There will never be consensus. If history has taught us one thing it is that there will never be consensus. A group of people didn't want to pay taxes so they founded a WHOLE NEW COUNTRY! Then those same people years later could not agree on "labor laws." One group wanted to continue to enslave people, the other group wanted freedom for all people. That SPLIT that whole "new" country. Now just about every country is fragmented into dozens of groups. Meat eaters. Non meat eaters. Socialists vs Capitalists. And now there is a political group founded on the fact that they don't get enough pu**y. No...I'm not making this up. There will never be consensus. Bitcoin was supposed to be the thing that united us all. The world NEEDED an alternative to banks. And the creators of bitcoin succeeded in that. The blockchain was born. What an accomplishment. It is a technological marvel that can solve so many problems. The problem is, humans got in the way. Perhaps being there in the beginning and watching the bitcoin community grow made them BTC maximalists. In the beginning, there WAS only one coin. True bitcoin people did not pay litecoin, or namecoin any attention. (I did invest in peercoin though) I remember when litecoin was $4 and I bought ZERO of that coin because I didn't think it had a purpose. Today my opinion of litecoin is the same...but I'm not going to create a subreddit called allltcholderssuck I am a big enough person to allow someone to have their own opinion without it imposing on my beliefs. But with bitcoin - which is probably the first subreddit a new crypto wannabe would go to, this is not the case. If you've never been on bitcoin I can sum up every thread like this. ALL NON BTC COINS ARE TRASH. ALL PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN ANY OTHER COIN ARE STUPID. ROGER VER IS TRASH. ALL HAIL Bitcoin! Did I miss anything? (nope that sums it up right there). Any opinion, any new idea, any suggestion is met with a digital beating and a ban. Can we increase the block size? BAN. Is BTC harmful to the environment? BAN. Will BTC ever have smart contracts? BAN. At one point even Ethereum was a bad word. Why does this matter to you?? Because now, the community that built itself around inclusion and democracy, and the "we hate banks" motto has been fractured. And most of the hate is coming from bitcoin. Now we have people who were in Bitcoin when bitcoin was $300, that don't own any bitcoin! (like me) Not because we don't believe in bitcoin, but because we don't believe in the people behind bitcoin. And this ANTI-bitcoin attitude is growing. Every coin or token that comes out in hopes to improve the blockchain is a vote against bitcoin. They are saying "we don't believe BTC is enough" Rather than try to learn from these people, and improve the technology, bitcoin shuts itself off to the rest of the world, and continues to shout BITCOIN ONLY from inside their digital barricades. Make no mistake THIS is the reason the market is down. Network congestion, led to high fees, led to people selling, led to understanding more about the people behind bitcoin, led to a dislike of the bitcoin maximalist community, led to moving money to other projects. Its not charts. Its not whales. It is people saying "I want nothing to do with bitcoin." As long as bitcoin continues to spew this nonsense, it WILL be a drag on the entire community. New people (which is the life of any business) will come in - see the hatred - and take their money with them. Whales, will simply invest in other projects. Bitcoin will continue to fall, and unfortunately the entire crypto market will fall with it. As long as people have a Bitcoin first mentality the crypto market will fall. We have to move towards an inclusive crypto mentality. Any project that actually adds value to the community should be given the opportunity to stand on its own merits. And its not just bitcoin, other coins have also developed this (insert coin here) only mentality. This is not a zero sum game. Having various options is the definition of democracy. bitcoin mods are literally the hitlers of the crypto world. Spewing hatred, and totalitarianism will get you nowhere...eventually. It's time for bitcoin to die
8 months ago I posted this optimistic analysis about Peercoin. For those who are interested, I’d like to share my thoughts about the Peercoin project and what is the current status of this project. First topic is the price, in end July btc-e was taken down and its assets seized by FBI. Since btc-e was the largest exchange for PPC/USD volume the price took a big hit. It sucks to see such a thing happen to your investments, but since I mostly buy and hold coins for years I’m still optimistic for the Peercoin price long term. Peercoin managed to stay above the magic $1 mark, and has since the release of the new version 0.6 started to break the downtrend and is showing signs of a trend reversal. This could of course be ruined once again by unpredictable external circumstances, but overall the take down of btc-e has only strengthened PPC. Previously my biggest concern was the absolute dominance on PPC trade volume by btc-e, and after the takedown, WEX has risen in the place of btc-e, issuing tokens to users as a part of repaying their debt to the users who lost their holdings from btc-e, and we are now seeing trading being distributed on other exchanges such as Bittrex, HitBTC and The Rock Trading (who just recently removed all fees until January 2018 to celebrate the v0.6 release). I am NOT a TA guy, but I’ve been around since 2012 and I also take it as a positive sign that others are cautiosly believing more firmly in the trend reversal we’re seeing recently like embeddedthought who published this chart on TradingView. What I rely mostly on are the fundamentals as they seem to be what I earn the most by focusing on over the years. And ultimately Peercoin is to me a hedge against the epic clusterfuck we’re still moving towards in cryptoland.
v0.6 release and progress by the dev team
While prices where going down, interest declining and the sentiment turning sour, the dev team continued their work on the first community driven release unchanged. Finally they release the new v0.6 version without any major bugs thanks to extensive and careful testing. It’s nice to see new releases coming out every so often from Bitcoin Core, but I’d rather wait a couple of more months than seeing my entire investment get lost due to some bug or unknown vulnerability being exploited when smaller teams are releasing. For those who aren’t well versed in blockchain development, the release may not seem like much when you’re used to the release cycles of blockstream or Ethereum, but the release lays a very important ground work for the path towards cold minting and multi signature minting. Cold minting will make it easy to still participate and help decentralize the PPC network without exposing yourself to any risks, and multi signature minting could very well hold the solution to the underlying problems in how to manage and fund decentralized autonomous organizations (DAO’s) as outlined by Nagalim here.
Future of Peercoin project
The dev team are notoriously reluctant towards publishing road maps (that’ll be abandoned half a year later when the market has crashed), and instead focus on getting the absolute fundamentals right so they wont run into issues years down the road and still have funding. And above all, staying resilient towards attacks by both government and private entities no matter their size and amount of power is of a major concern to them. Despite this reluctance to publish a road map, it’s still possible to get an idea about which directions Peercoin might take through participation in the official chat and message board and reading the “Requests For Comments” (RFC) published on their github repository. In no particular order or with guarantees that this will become final, here are the overall topics I’ve picked up being of major concerns to the Peercoin community team since first writing my post 8 months ago:
Making it safer for users to get their PoS reward without exposing their private keys while also helping decentralize the network through cold minting
Solving the security risks in the centralized ways most DAO’s are run today most likely through multi-signature minting
Making blockchain agnostic Asset based ICO’s possible through PeerAssets thus both avoiding the embarrassing scandals in Etherland like The DAO hack and Parity multisig wallet due to using smart contracts
Proof-of-Concept of their asset based ICO protocol through the successful funding and execution of the INDICIUM ETF with the added benefit of allowing investors to mostly just worry about the average value of the market over day-trading. So we can focus on more important things in life ;)
Finding a simpler, more secure and scalable solution to the transaction malleability issue in the BTC protocol than SegWit like the FlexTrans proposal
I’m in no way qualified to comment on SegWit, smart contracts or DAO’s from a technical perspective. Instead I’d like to quickly comment on them using common sense that’d convinced me Bitcoin was “for real” back in 2011 after buying some weed online (I know one thing for sure, drug dealers don’t give anything away for free, if Bitcoin is good enough for them, then it’s good enough for me). Cold minting is probably the least obvious of the topics listed above, but to me it’s the most important. Peercoin already uses PoS as its consensus model and PoW for emission of new coins to ensure fair distribution and adding entropy to the blockchain. But what mattered to me in the beginning of encountering crypto, and will always matter the most to me is the fact that I can send wealth to ANYONE no matter what the government thinks. This is one of many reasons why it’s so important that the network stays distributed, while Peercoin's blockchain is only a couple of gigabytes despite it being 5 years old, we need to have a way to incentivize users to helping out the network without them running any security risks. Cold minting is the most likely way to do this as far as I’m concerned. On top of this it’d be nice to see Peercoin getting listed on the Ledger store for hardware wallet minting as they’re working on here MultiSig minting would make it possible to safely stake your coins, earning a reward and automatically donate a percentage to multiple competing teams developing on the Peercoin blockchain, wallets and Apps. For me this sounds like a true cryptoanarchist way of running DAO’s. Even if the original team are compromised by governments, the chain is secure and funds hard to confiscate. SegWit is a complex and controversial topic with a lot of debate around it. I’ve given up trying to understand all of its ramifications I’ve decided to place my money in both coins implementing it and those who don’t, you know in case the critics are right and one day we’ll see a catastrophic failure. I have no idea if FlexTrans are better than SegWit, only time will tell, but common sense tells me to not place all of my investments in coins that solves transaction malleability through SegWit when alternatives are available. And on the list of long lived, trustworthy projects not using SegWit, Peercoin is right at the top. TL;DR: Development of the Peercoin project has transitioned successfully from the original creator Sunny King to the community team and they’ve delivered as promised. Peercoin price took a hit from btc-e getting busted but the market has come out stronger on the other side. I still evaluate Peercoin's “true” market value to be $25 at primo-2018 and I’m sure it’ll get there latest ultimo-2019 as a worst case scenario. I have increased my PPC holdings from 25% to 50% after it went down to $1. I don’t understand SegWit, and I think that’s a bad idea, and Peercoin is my preferred hedge against a catastrophic failure in SegWit. Turing-complete smart contracts are a recipe for disaster cough The DAO, Parity etc. I just want decentralized ownership, not contracts.
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Decentralization: LIQNET claims to be built on a decentralized system because their physical hardware is located in two different data centers, including centers in France and Canada. This isn’t what we typically mean by “decentralization”, although we understand what LIQNET is getting at. Security: LIQNET holds customers’ funds in multiple locations, including hot wallets, multi-signature wallets, and cryptocurrency exchanges. This reduces the risk of theft. Multiple Trading Options: LIQNET supports direct trading from the financial chart and scalping trades (including post limit and stop orders right from the order book). Multiple Order Types: LIQNET supports stop order trades, stop limit trades, TP & SL trades, trailing stop trades, Iceberg, IFD, OCO, IFDOCO, valid till day/time trades, AON, IOC, and FOK trades. Financial Charts: LIQNET provides a suite of analysis tools. Users can also customize their dashboard with 100+ different trading indicators. Multiple Currency Pairs: Right now, LIQNET lists just four cryptocurrency pairs, including LTC/BTC, ETH/BTC, BCH/BTC, and PPC/BTC. However, they allow users to deposit more currencies, including bitcoin, Litecoin, USD, Ethereum, Bitcoin Cash, DASH, and Peercoin (PPC). LIQNET Fees A number of cryptocurrency exchanges aggregate liquidity from across different exchanges. So what makes LIQNET special? What kind of fees can you expect to pay? Here are some of the notable fees as listed on the LIQNET fees page: Trading Fees: 0.2% taker fee, 0.1% maker fee Deposit Fees: 0 (0% deposit fees on all deposit options, including bitcoin, Litecoin, USD, Ethereum, Bitcoin Cash, DASH, and Peercoin). Withdrawal Fees: 0.0001 BTC, 0.01 LTC, 0.01 USD, 0.01 ETH, 0.01 BCH, 0.01 DASH, and 0.01 PPC. The LIQNET ICO LIQNET is expecting to launch a crowdsale in May / June 2018. That crowdsale will consist of a closed pre-sale and an open ICO. Further details of the token sale have not yet been announced. LIQNET has partnered with Como Capital to launch their ICO. It’s unclear how LIQNET tokens will work. However, tokens launched by other cryptocurrency exchanges typically provide a discount on trading fees. You might only pay 0.1% or 0.5% trading fees when paying with LIQNET’s tokens, for example.Who’s Behind LIQNET? LIQNET was created by a team of finance, law, and technology professionals with a proven track record in traditional investments and forex trading. Key members of the team include Roman Shirokov (CEO), Evgeny Tarasenko (CTO), and Vyacheslav Kasatkin. LIQNET was incorporated in 2015. The company is registered to an address in Singapore (10 Maxwell Road, Singapore). LIQNET Conclusion LIQNET is a cryptocurrency exchange that aggregates liquidity from a number of different exchanges across the internet. The goal is to reduce the bid/ask spread while offering users the highest liquidity across multiple order types and markets. Right now, LIQNET is in the early stages of launch. The exchange is not yet available online, although a desktop and mobile app are preparing to launch in the near future.
Greetings everyone. I am posting a draft of some of the sections of the new website. They are a work in progress and any input on this content or anything else you would like to see on the new site is appreciated! The website will be focusing on educating investors of all ability so that they can understand the crypto-currency markets and make wise decisions within them. Without this understanding, our markets will not be able to efficiently, and with confidence, allocate capital to the true pillars of this new economy. Note: Most of my updates can be seen directly here. I expect to have this completed by the weekend so that we can hopefully have the new site up and running. Even once up, there will be lots of work to do to really perfect it.
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What is Cryptogenic Bullion? - Cryptogenic Bullion is a peer-to-peer internet currency that enables instant payments to anyone in the world. Its fundamental specifications enable it to efficiently function as a store of wealth.
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About CGB: Cryptogenic Bullion is a digital asset with all of the qualities of money. It is a descendant of Bitcoin, but employs an advanced security model which is more efficient and more secure than Bitcoin. The problems of today's debt based fiat currencies find solutions in cutting-edge decentralized cryptographic currencies like Cryptogenic Bullion. Designed to function as a store of wealth, CGB's fundamentals emulate the properties and supply of gold. While Cryptogenic Bullion shares many traits with Bitcoin such as fast global payments, decentralization, pseudo-anonymity, and non-reversible transactions, there are many improvements which allow CGB to more reliably store wealth. A critical requirement for storing wealth is a low inflation rate. Cryptogenic Bullion is a very rare exception in that it has nearly completed its volatile inflationary stage and settled into its maximum yearly inflation rate of 2%. It also allows prudent savers of Cryptogenic Bullion to earn up to 1.5% interest on funds left unspent in their wallets for at least 30 days. Crypto-currencies are finding support among a massive and diverse range of participants. For newcomers, a visit to one of the following pages would be beneficial depending on your current level of understanding and intention. Cryptogenic Bullion emulate the properties of gold, a classic safe-haven asset, and also represents a part of the movement towards a more fair and honest system of money. For more details on why and how, see the Fundamental Knowledge section. To quickly learn more about the crypto-markets, see the Investor Brief section. For analysing market dynamics, see the Market Fundamentals section. Specifications
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Team: Fundamental Knowledge: In order to understand the need for cryptographic currencies like Bitcoin and Cryptogenic Bullion, we must consider a number of fundamental challenges with our current financial system, and the solutions that cryptographic currencies provide. The world's currencies are referred to as debt-based fiat currencies because they are not backed by a physical asset like gold, and can burden up to 30 participants with debt for each actual dollar in reserve, creating the potential for bank runs. It helps to realize that when a credit card is used to purchase something, dollars are created , and when you pay it off, dollars are destroyed. This scheme is referred to as fractional reserve banking and can not happen in a digital currency system without the owner's knowledge because the supply is strictly controlled by a decentralized protocol. We are beginning, as a society, to understand the dangers and inefficiencies found in centralized systems as corruptions and self destructive processes manifest themselves with no true remedy. As our society looks for answers, they are being found in technological advances which allow us to connect with each other in more meaningful ways which do not require a third party. Cryptographic currencies provide the convenience of cash, with neither the excessive centralized printing, nor the potential for censorship or sanctions which block the transmission of funds. A new economy is forming with various crypto-currencies attempting to fill different roles within the ecosystem. It is imperative that we capitalize these technologies through careful investment to allow for the necessary development which will enable them to be a major part of modern society. To quickly learn more about the crypto-markets, see the Investor Brief section. Trust in crypto-currencies must begin with a basic understanding of how the system functions and how to use it. Technology has existed for decades now which allow us to verify that a message was signed by an individual. This authentication technology is now used to prove that the holder of a private wallet has sent funds form that wallet to another. Keeping this key secret is the responsibility of each participant and this responsibility is the price for the freedom enabled by cryptographic currencies. Every transaction that has ever occurred is recorded in a distributed ledger which proves the current balance of all wallets in order to validate further transactions. Blocks created every 60 seconds containing all of the new transactions are added to the top of the block chain and further serve to set all previous blocks in "cryptographic" stone. For more details on how CGB's decentralized protocols provide trusted security and honest money, see the Papers and Articles section. In order to get a glimpse of what the future cryptographic currency ecosystem could look like we must accept that there are many different roles to fill, and it is difficult for one currency to efficiently fill all roles. A store of wealth, like Cryptogenic Bullion (CGB), must have a low inflation rate to preserve capital and reduce volatility. Stability can also be encouraged if the bearer is allowed to earn interest on savings stored unspent for a specified length of time. A currency, like Dogecoin (DOGE), must have a higher inflation rate to slightly exceed the adoption rate. This provides liquidity and encourages spending which furthers the expansion of the participant base. A market gateway, like Bitcoin (BTC), must also have a higher inflation rate to match adoption so that liquidity is maintained which enhances the access to each of its markets. The market gateway also insulates the cryptographic currencies and stores of wealth from the market fluctuations caused by volatile shifts in demand for fiat currencies vs. crypto-currencies as a whole. For more information on these dynamics, see the Market Fundamentals section. Frequently Asked Questions: Categories
[META] The benefits of uniting ourselves with our crypto brothers
My fellow Shibes, I have gained a deeper understanding of the notion of ‘community’ in the last month and a half. Probably more than I have in many other social endeavors that did not take place behind a computer. I've seen people who have never seen each other in person unite behind their computers, embrace each other, and band together to support great causes, enjoy themselves, and self-educate about a revolutionary financial industry that is currently in its crawling stage. An industry that could possibly change the way we trade between each other in everyday life, for the rest of our lives. During my time here, I have learned that we here at /dogecoin have community. We have numbers. We have our distinguishable and recognizable identity. While I have been heavily involved here at /dogecoin, I started educating myselves about other crypto currencies as well. Bitcoin, Litecoin, Peercoin, Nxt, Mooncoin, you name it. And I became more and more aware of the fact that we are divided. We are deeply divided. Some Bitcoiners may exude an air of superiority because of their seniority and being top doge on the charts. Some Litecoiners may display arrogance and be quick to dismiss other crypto currencies because they were the second player in the game, attaining a respectable market value as a result. And some of us Shibes have proved to be provocative and rude, bombarding other subreddits with downvotes and troll comments. Many of you know this because you have seen it for yourselves. Some people have gone as far as announcing an imminent 'war' between crypto currencies. Blasphemy of course. But it did get me thinking. The way all Shibes united to support the Jamaican bobsled team was amazing. Nobody ever anticipated such an overwhelmingly positive response - including media outlets all over the world. And since then, /Litecoin has caught on as well! With their project to fund the planting of 100,000 trees to counteract the environmental effects of mining, they are taking a positive step towards spreading the word of mouth that the Litecoin community stands united to improve the world while displaying the usefulness of crypto currency. Because that is the main hurdle we have to jump, folks. It is not beating other crypto currencies and competing for a higher spot on the crypto currency charts. It is really about gaining credibility for our system as a whole and our positive, welcoming communities. Because most of the world still does not take crypto currency all that seriously. Isn't it time we unite ourselves with other crypto currencies? That we clasp hands and embrace each other, and find ways to unite our interests - the way we accept newcomers here at /Dogecoin? Because we are all in the same boat. And as individual communities, we may not be able to achieve much more than competing against other coins and rising a few spots. But if we unite, we could compete as a financial system on the rise against the current banking system. Individually, /Dogecoin has achieved great things. Combined with more established and growing crypto coins, we could all make it to the Moon. There's no doubt about it. An alliance of crypto currencies, dedicating themselves to worthy causes, promoting themselves and their counterparts and collectively rising to the top. I will be making a post later in /Cryptocurrency, I hope it gets some attention and positive feedback from other communities. TLDR; How about we start working together and rise above the confining limits of being a single crypto coin? Let's become a proud part of a massive community which works together to achieve great things and establish itself as the futurustic, viable alternative to today’s banking system. Let's look for ways to work together with other crypto currencies so the world will take note that we trust each other's system as well - and increase our strength in numbers and influence exponentially.
 BTCUSD analysis. Bottom forming, will it hold?
Number of referring pages to bitcoin.org have broken out of a long term flatline and are reaching new height http://imgur.com/2d1tBF1 . What is interesting to note, is that this happened before the news about Microsoft accepting bitcoins. Actually more pages have started referring to bitcoin.org during a time of price consolidation. Yes, I know a lot of people call this "stable prices" but I dont believe them - the proper word is consolidation and the longer the consolidation the worse the volatility when price breaks out again. Yes, that's why I'm coming down hard on people talking about "price stability", because this is like a spring being compressed. This is energy building up and a clear confirming sign that this is true, is that the number of referring pages to bitcoin.org is increasing. Volatility is when price goes up or down fast. That's whats in store for us, but if price is about to break the bearish trend, then I suspect the switch to be gradual, a slow consolidation and upwards trending price. I.e. if price goes down after this consolidation, I expect a big move. If it goes up, I expect pretty quick sell offs and further consolidations. But I digress... let's look at some other indicators. Number of search hits on wikipedia is kind of the same (http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Bitcoin) so nothing intresssting there. No huge movement on reddit (https://pay.reddit.com/Bitcoin/about/traffic). But there is an up trend in how much the Bitcoin network is being used (https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=30&show_header=true&scale=0&address=). I wouldnt say that much have changed on google trends either (http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=peercoin%2C%20bitcoin&cmpt=q). So, if there is not an increased interest expressed in the statistics for either reddit, wikipedia then why is it that the number of bitcoins changing hands on localbitcoins is increasing (https://bitcoincharts.com/charts/localbtcUSD#igWeeklyzm1g10zm2g25zi1gVolzvzcv)? To me its very clear, what we have hear is "a muddy picture". The fundamentals are greater then ever, besides the BitLicense thing, the latest news have been great. Not only is Microsoft jumping on the train an endorsement, but to me it means that it will soon no longer be enough "to just accept bitcoins", soon you will also have to do some innovative stuff with it, to get some of the spotlight. I.e. I think more and more companies will start investigating and begin to leverage the technology. This is not a bold statement. I'm encouraged by Overtstock who first accepted it, then decided they we're going to disrupt the stock markets. And there are others... and on top of that we can add the Drapers efforts with pushing start-ups and so forth and so on. So when will the "big money" jump on the train? What is holding them off? Why are they not drinking the cool aid like we do? I listen to an interview with SolidX, where I learned that institutional players that are interested actually don't really have the tools to do so... yet... learn more here: https://soundcloud.com/epicenterbitcoin/eb-055 and we have the Winklevoss and so forth and so on. So, to summarize what do we have here? The slow heat death of Bitcoin? I'd say no. What we got here, I think, is a market that is kind of 99% set by the greed and fear of traders. Nobody needs bitcoins. You buy it because its cool, to trade it and perhaps to spend it. The need, the organic growth, its simply not there yet. I think it will come, but its to early. Its not even mainstream yet. Since there is no fundamental need for it, price is determined by traders - this is very obvious when you look at the charts. Traders are swing trading consolidations and organic demand or actually more appropriately put fresh money, has not been great enough to crush the short traders. Let's switch to the price charts - that's we're we learn how the market thinks right now. Look at this image. Study it carefully. http://imgur.com/zohMwvq It's very obvious that the price right now is being traded on the weekly chart - it's on the weekly chart that the support level of ca 300 is being tested. If this level fails, we're gonna fall like a knife down to lower levels - at least that's what I think is the most likely outcome. But what if it goes up? Look at the chart again. Do you see how it bounces down from that orange line? That's where we have resistance. So... best case scenario (if you want price to go up) is that price bounces between these two levels. Traders will buy and sell at these two levels, until something breaks. When it breaks, they will stop selling if price goes up and stop buying if price goes down. So... as I wrote earlier. If price goes down, expect it to crash. If it goes up, expect more consolidation. Also, keep in mind that IF price is going to recover and the trend begin to turn upwards, then this is exactly the kind of chart you would suspect, i.e. price bouncing up and down testing the lows while more and more volume builds up (study chart again and make not of the volume increase since september). Today is a good time to buy. Its bad to sell. If you buy and price drops, sell quickly. If price rises, sell if it sky rockets. That's my bet. Also keep in mind. When the bottom is finally in. Don''t expect it to be on good news. Don't expect it to be when everyone is happy and bullish. That's what it feels like on the top. When price is at the bottom, people think price is gonna crash and never recover, despite Microsoft. Despite hedge funds pumping money into the scene. Yea something like that. Nobody knows. But two things are certain: this is better time to buy, then when price was at $1000. The only thing that holds me back, is that I still don't get the "puke feeling". I don't get the feeling that people are fed up, tired, and "just want out". But maybe it doesn't have to be like that, for price to recover. Who knows. In the end, it's a bet.
Bitcoin finally broke above the $250 figure today. Prices traded as high as $253.59 in today’s trading session, before a retracement took BTC down to $251.84 dollars per coin. But this new rally has yet to translate into gains for other crypto-currencies. While Litecoin is trending higher, it still hasn’t broken the crucial $3.19 resistance. And both Peercoin and Namecoin remain firmly stuck in the middle of their respective ranges. Peercoin Still in a 3 Cents Congestion Alternative crypto-currency Peercoin is still trading within the 3 Cents range outlined in our article last week. The top of this congestion area stands at $0.393 while the bottom is at $0.363. As we can see on the chart below, PPC/USD is currently trading in the middle of its range. Imgur Read More https://blog.fxopen.com/peercoin-namecoin-refuse-to-follow-btc-highe
Cryptocurrencies rallied across the board today as bitcoin surged higher by $26 dollars, from $324.56 to $350.78 at the moment. This prompted the altcoin market to join in the move. Peercoin gained over 13 percent in the last two days and NMC/USD is up by a fantastic 29 percent. Peercoin Rallies by 13 Percent As noted above, Peercoin rallied over 13 percent in the last two days, from $0.366 to $0.416 right now. Few hours ago prices were even higher, trading at 44 cents per coin at one time. On the chart below we can see that PPC/USD has broken outside of its range. Imgur Read More https://blog.fxopen.com/namecoin-surges-29-as-cryptocurrencies-rally/
Peercoin rallied sharply today, from $0.455 to a high of $0.498 before retracing. This on a day where big brother bitcoin dropped $7 dollars to $423 dollars per coin. Smaller altcoin Namecoin is down as well, albeit slightly. Peercoin Rallies by 9.4 Percent Peercoin was up by close to 10 percent today, hitting $0.498 before the sellers stepped back in. We are currently off 1.8 cents from the highs at 48 cents per coin. This is still up 5.5 percent on the day. On the chart below today’s surge is clearly visible. Imgur Read More https://blog.fxopen.com/peercoin-rallies-namecoin-slightly-down/
Both Peercoin and Namecoin have somewhat paused the losses. Peercoin is down by only 0.4 of a cent (just under 1%) while NMC is up slightly by 1.2 cents. The primary driver for the pause seems to be bitcoin’s rally. Big brother hit a high of $439 dollars today. The gains were larger on other exchanges with prices topping out closer to $445 dollars per coin. But let’s start with PPC and we’ll get back to bitcoin later on. Peercoin Down Slightly Alternative cryptocurrency Peercoin is down slightly compared to last week. The losses are fairly small right now of around 1 percent. But as can be seen on the chart below, there’s no respite in sight for PPC/USD. Imgur Read More https://blog.fxopen.com/peercoin-namecoin-pause-losses-on-btc-rally/
Both Peercoin and Namecoin have snapped their multi-day losing streak after BTC spiked higher two hours ago. Peercoin is currently up by 1 cent on the day, or about 2.4 percent. Rival coin NMC is up by 1 cent as well to $0.407 dollars. Peercoin Higher by 2.4 Percent As noted above, alternative cryptocurrency Peercoin is trading higher today. This is mostly due to big brother bitcoin surging by $16 dollars to $385 dollars per coin, or just over 4 percent. But taking a more long-term view, PPC is nowhere near staging a new rally, or a downtrend for that matter. As we can see on the chart below, we are currently quoted at $0.42, over 6 cents away from both breakout points. Imgur Read More https://blog.fxopen.com/peercoin-namecoin-higher-after-btc-spikes/
How do you handle being alone for the whole trading day if you are in front of your screen ask day? - Well, I talk to a lot of other traders on Skype and/or Google chat, and I try to get out of the house and trade in different locations to keep things interesting. It can get lonely, but I have a lot of friends and have no problem inviting people over to chill while I trade and it benefits them too cause a lot of people want to learn it and sitting here w/ someone doing it full time is a really cool and fun way to learn!
I'm curious as after the last 4 years or so where I've been studying and watching, I feel I've got a nice KISS method. I did 2 months of full time paper trading to see how I did. However by the end I couldn't handle being alone and stuck in my chair all day. Did you have to cope with any of that? - Yes it is definitely an adjustment. I worked in IT so I was pretty much glued to a computer all day anyway, so it wasn't AS much of a change for me, but I do read a lot and hear a lot that day traders start to go crazy after a while just from the lonliness/lack of human interaction. That's why I do things like this Reddit, and my courses that are taught via live webinar though. Keeps me from goin nuts and going postal ... on myself!
What's your P&L ? - I try to shoot for a $500-1k gain per day and keep my loss days when they do occur to $250-500. Per trade, I try to risk no more than $200-300 depending on market conditions, and during certain markets I will increase or decrease risk if I feel it is worth it. I also have a detailed risk management plan that I use to make sure if I have a string of losses they are cut to $0 within 3-5 days so I can re-evaluate, and if I have a string of wins, risk increases based on my wins so that I can capitalize when I'm on fire and minimize losses when I am in a slump.
Are you interested in HFT ? - Not really. As an IT geek I do find it fascinating that there are applications that can scalp all day long and consistently make money over the long term, but I just do not believe that in such a dynamic environment that anything like that is really sustainable. It would just be way too much work for me to try to develop something to trade for me, plus it would take all the fun and challenge out of it!
With how much money did you start ? - I originally started investing with only $1k. I swung that very slowly (up and down) while saving from my job(s) up to about $5k. I then injected another $5k of savings and started getting very serious with trading with around $10k. Then I lost about 50% of that in like 2 months (lol). The whole time I worked full time and saved every penny I could until I had saved up enough to open a PDT (pattern day trading) account with $25k and also became fully immersed in trading talking to other traders and taking a few trading courses here and there to tweak my strategy. Now I trade that account (I keep $26.5k in it and build it up as much as I can each month then withdraw back to $26.5k and that is how I get paid) and I have a small $5k account that I use for swing trades and experimental strategies.
Are you interested in working for big firms (GS, JP, City...) - Not really. I have debated it in the past but I think it is just way more satisfying to do it on my own. Also, I don't want to be part of the firms that everyone complains are corrupt/evil/etc. For me it is more fun and exciting to just trade on my own, and it is more rewarding because if I decide I want a raise I just work harder and trade better and boom! I get a raise!
That's actually a very valid question. My method of picking stocks or buying/selling really is not different at all. What is different is that I have the emotional discipline to cut losses quickly and let my winners run. Most traders that fail, and I have seen many come and go even across the very few years I've been doing this, fail because they do not cut losses quickly and they are not good risk managers. I have always been frugal and very cautious with my money, and I am the same when I trade.
I trade very systematically, and analyze everything I do with statistical analysis so I always know the stats between each type of pattern I trade. For example, if you look on my tradervue link in the OP, you'll see tags like IFB (intraday flag break), IBD (intraday breakdown), TTB (triple tap breakout) identifying the patterns I am trading so that I can go back and find all those tags and see how profitable they are, by tag. I also very systematically trade with a 2:1 reward to risk ratio at a minimum, so if I am risking 10 cents on a trade I will always be able to make at least 20, 50 cents for a buck, 1 buck for 2 bucks, etc. It takes a lot of self control to actually cut those losses where they cross that level of risk, but if you can do that there is no reason 98% of people could not be profitable in this profession.
Obviously there are a ton of other factors that go into it, and I am still very new so who knows, maybe I will blow up and go insane and fail and go broke, but for now I'm doing ok, so I can only speak to what I currently know.
BTW, my blog is very reminiscent of my overall strategy and trading philosophy if you want to check it out (it's free). I just recently rolled it from Blogger to Wordpress so some of the links might point back to my old blog but all the info is at both places: Link to www.greenbartrading.com
Consistency does not equal wealth. I live comfortably on what I make but I am not trading to become rich, really. I trade for a living because I like the freedom it offers me, being able to work for myself and go wherever I want and take my work with me (for example spending more time w/ family/friends, traveling, etc)
To answer your question, I am very new in this game so it would be foolish to assume I should be rich already. My strategy works so that I can pay my bills and have money to spend on the things I like and the things I want to do, but I am still limited to the money I have in my account and the buying power that it gives me. If I had millions of dollars in capital and $20m in buying power, sure I could use similar strategies and probably make $100k a day but it takes a long, long time to build up that kind of power in a trading account.
It is a common misconception in trading that as soon as you have a consistent strategy you will instantly be able to scale it to become super-wealthy. That theory leaves out the obvious aspects of being able to handle the swings in P/L emotionally and especially the issue of liquidity. I can identify a pattern on a chart and say I'm going to buy 100k shares and make $10,000 in 5 minutes, but actually getting filled on that 100k shares is a totally different story. It is much harder to execute strategies like mine when you are playing with huge sizes. That is why I try to rack up small gains with a consistent win rate vs just trying to home-run every trade and get rich quick.
I don't know much about that field so I don't want to say too much, but in general I think that like many people in this business they are just out to make a quick buck, by selling something to others who are trying to make a quick buck.
Not at all. Margin is only dangerous if you don't know how to use it. If you understand that trading a $5k account on 2:1 margin means you're trading with $10k, but you still need to manage the risk as if you have $5k, you'll be fine. When I first started getting really serious with trading, I actually traded a $10k account with 10:1 margin but I never used more than 2:1 or 3:1 because I just didn't want to risk that much.
The margin is only bad if you let it get out of control. Also, it is impossible to short without margin and shorting is vital if you are going to be consistently profitable in the long term. Most people say shorting is more risky but if you short properly, managing risk with stop losses just like when you go long, then there is absolutely no difference between shorting and longing in terms of risk. I don't generally recommend swing shorting for beginners, only because news releases can make things really ugly, but in general, trading on margin and shorting is fine as long as you are smart about it and you understand it (which is not that hard with a little reading).
Edit: To clarify, most of the risk associated with margin comes when people get greedy. If you have a $10k account with 10:1 margin on it and you dump $100k into a stock and risk $2,000 to make $4,000 sure you could make 40% on your account but you could also lose 20%. It makes much more sense, especially with a small account, to trade w/ a reasonable amount of margin so that you can maximize your gains without destroying your account w/ too much risk. This is also just personal opinion. Whether or not trading on margin is a bad idea really depends on the person. I know people who have 50:1 margin and trade 100% in cash, and people who have like $5k and trade as if they have $100k cash rather than $95k of it being margin, lol. It all depends on your personality and how well you understand the risk you're taking.
Fair enough. That is true. In my experience though I have only in very, very rare cases seen a stock double in an overnight session unless it was a penny stock or something very thin being pumped. In the stocks I generally trade I almost never see that. While I do see large gaps I don't really trade stuff that tends to gap more than 100%.
Edit: BTW, it's worth noting that nothing in the market is guaranteed. I believe that if you trade with the fear of losing 100% on an investment overnight you are, in general, being a bit too paranoid. Yes it happens, and it blows bigtime when/if it does, but it is not common enough to really worry about IMO. Just something to be aware of.
Usually the broker. If you lose too much, they will do a margin call, which basically means they can protect themselves by forcing you to sell your positions to protect their money if you're investing with it.
This risk is generally mitigated though. I trade on margin every day but I am still only risking a very small percentage of my capital on each trade. If I were to hold trades for longer term timeframes, I might worry more about margin calls but still, in most situations you are going to be pretty well protected by stop losses unless the stock is making huge moves of 40%, 50%, 100% etc which is not all that common in the names I generally trade. In my experience I have not seen margin calls until people have lost like 70-80-90% of their account values on a single trade already. If you can't cut your losses before that point you probably should not even be trading :)
ZGNX is a great trader. I actually recently bought 2500 shares at $3.59 average (building on a 500 share swing I held from $3.35 the day before) but like a fool I sold it flat after it didn't immediately take off. I caught the top of that recent GIANT 5m share block buy and it killed my average price so since I did not want to risk $800-1000 on the trade I opted to exit flat when it didn't go right away. I don't really know anything about the company itself but I have traded it several times over the last couple years and it usually behaves pretty predictably, so I like it for day/swing trading.
When I got serious about day trading I started with $10k and traded through a prop firm (as an independent contractor so I was working on my own and only received whatever money I made, no paycheck or boss). I did that because it offered me 10:1 leverage and good trading software (DAS Trader Pro). Once I had the cash built up from that I opened a $25k ameritrade account and now I use that ... I bailed on the prop firm because their software was $125 a month and thinkorsim through TDA is free.
Yes to both questions. I generally get up around 8:00am EST and do a quick breakfast and shower, maybe go for a run or get outside to do something active. Then I will go through Yahoo Finance inPlay (finance.yahoo.com/mp) and scan for any major news headlines (earnings misses/beats, FDA news, etc). I go through the stockmarketwatch.com premarket section (Link to thestockmarketwatch.com and look at anything that is gapping up or down and use finviz.com to determine why they are gapping. This gives me a bunch of ideas for the day. Also, I usually have a small watchlist prepared from the night before, which is prepared with a scanner I use called StockFetcher (www.stockfetcher.com). I pay 8 bucks a month for that (super cheap actually for how powerful it is!)
Right at 9:30 I am mostly just watching stuff. I seldom trade the first 15 minutes only because it is way too volatile and it is difficult to determine a pattern in only 15 minutes. After 9:45 I will look to see if any of the morning gappers held their gaps and perhaps find a couple trades in those ideas. I also have alerts set at various prices from the night before which will be triggering the whole time giving me ideas.
After the trading day, I usually just shut down and forget about trading for a while and then later at night I go back and upload all my stuff to tradervue.com and put in comments/details about why I took the trade, where I bought/sold, if it was a gain/loss, etc and post it publicly on twittefacebook. This keeps me honest and makes sure I am always on my game.
Also, each morning I am usually watching my open swing trades to make sure there is nothing crazy going on with them and I will usually sell into morning spikes to book profit on those and possibly re-enter later on to add back to my full position size.
Finally, every once in a while (maybe once a month) I will just wipe the slate clean, eliminate my entire watchlist, and build a totally new one just to keep my mind fresh and eliminate any bias I have developed toward individual stocks.
I always check to see when earnings are, and make sure that there are no major catalysts coming up (FDA panels, upcoming contract renewals, etc). I also go back on the chart for a year and look at all the major moves (gap ups, gap downs and big spikes/drops in price) and research why they moved, so that I can react quickly if I happen to see something similar happen. For most of my swing trades I don't tend to care much about fundamental stuff (PE Ratio, income, etc) because they are not long-term enough for that stuff to make a difference. I am a 98% technical trader, but definitely do pay attention to fundamental catalysts like earnings and things of the like.
One other thing is I will use sites like tickerspy.com to check the performance of the overall sector, and keep the general market (SPY) in mind as there are good and bad times to swing trade so I don't want to be swinging long when the market is going down and vice versa, in general.
The "I'm cheap and don't wanna spend any money" (aka me) answer is to hit up investopedia.com. Everything you should need to know to get started is there, you'll just need to find it all yourself. You need to learn (at a minimum) order types, commissions, different types of trading, margin, and risk management. I teach all this stuff in my course and it's super cheap relative to the other crap that's on the market so feel free to hit me up via my website and I will hook you up w/ a discount code if you want. Let me know if you have any other questions!
Funny you should ask that - you are one of many who has asked me that very same question and the short answer is I have no idea, because I don't like anyone else touching my money, lol.
I believe through any retail broker (scottrade, etrade, ameritrade, optionshouse, etc) you can probably get a dedicated licensed broker to invest for you while you do nothing but your returns in that situation are probably going to be minimal after the broker takes their cut and also all the commissions/fees and probably a service fee for the service itself. I really don't know though, so that's something you could ask a local branch or call one of the retail brokers and see if that is a service they offer.
I just have never done it because I always wanted to do things on my own so I understood exactly where my money was going and knew that I wasn't being ripped off.
Thanks Joewith! It is definitely not for the faint of heart. I have had many people tell me I swear at my computer a lot when I'm trading, haha, as if that's going to make a difference. For me it is all about the challenge though. I love the challenge and the fact that if I fuck up it is 100% on me, and I can't blame anyone else!
To answer your question: It is not my plan but I do believe it is possible. I actually, right now, make less money than I did when I worked full time, but I am a lot happier because I have the freedom to do whatever I want whenever I want. In the future I do anticipate being able to far surpass my old level of income but I don't expect to be filthy rich. I would like to see my business grow to $1m+ within a few years and see annual trading profits in the $250-500k range on average, but I have a long way to go to get there. Before I left my job, my best month was September of 2013 in which I made $19.5k on a $25k account which was pretty awesome, so I know it is possible to do amazing things with this profession if we just work hard and manage our risks well.
First, make sure that you REALLY can afford to lose that money. If you can that's great! The best way to get your feet wet is to just dive right in. Risk management is key. You can learn technical analysis pretty easily and use it to identify support/resistance levels on the chart. Always make sure that your risk is at a maximum, 1/2 your potential reward. This will make sure that if you take 100 trades, you lose $50 50 times and make $100 50 times, you have $2500 in loss against $5,000 in reward or a net profit of $2500 (less commissions).
Basically, do not assume that trading is a get rich quick scheme. If you do you will blow up your account faster than you can blink. Trading is a numbers game. Manage your risk and understand what you're investing in and always have a plan to enter AND exit the trade. If you trade with no plan you are doomed.
It's great you're starting to invest as young as you are. If you're a disciplined, controlled individual you will find this is a fantastic way to make extra money and possibly even make a living. Check out my website and look into the Fundamentals of Active Trading course...it might be perfect for you for right now. Email me from the contact page if you decide you're interested and I'll hook you up w/ a discount code.
I use index funds as a guideline for what to do in my day trades and swing trades. Most of the professional, full time and well-managed day traders I know are significantly outperforming the index funds. Personally, I don't know if I am because I have not been doing this professionally long enough to have the data to decide. I would say that most of the traders I know are definitely not inline with the market, but are proportionately in-line. For example, if they generally outperform the market, they will outperform it even more when the market rips, and if they generally underperform the market it will get even worse when the market starts to tank. I personally specialize in high-momentum stocks (stuff that is moving on earnings, news, fundamental catalysts), and many of those stocks simply do not care what the market does. They are going to go up (or down) regardless of the market because the volume and the feagreed/euphoria surrounding the news/catalyst outweighs general market sentiment.
I assume you're referring to things like bitcoin. If not, I don't even know what a cryptocurrency is, lol. If so, I don't know anything about trading them nor do I care to. Like you said, they are extremely volatile and way too risky. I stay away from very risky investments like penny stocks and bitcoin and try to trade only things that have decent liquidity, are easy to get into and out of, and that are not going to be too susceptible to manipulation by people with way more money than me.
Yeah it is fascinating. I actually have a buddy who recently randomly threw $1k at bitcoin on the news that Congress was planning to make it a real currency (or something like that?) and tripled his money in three hours, haha. Fun stuff, but way too crazy for me.
Haha! Actually, I only have one monitor :) That setup that you see in the link in the main post is all I use. I flip between the trade tab where I actually click buy/sell and the charts tab which has three different charts on it (a daily, a 30 min and a 5 min chart) as needed. Generally, since I am day trading and not investing, I only care about the 5 minute chart for snap decisions. I will look at the 30 min and daily to find ideas and identify support/resistance levels on the chart but when I trade, probably about 75% of my time is spent on the screen you see which can all fit on a 15" laptop!
I do have a 24" external monitor which is usually what I'm using, and occasionally I'll open my laptop to throw up my google chats w/ other traders so I don't have to hit alt+tab 8 million times throughout the day. lol if I did have a fancy monitor setup though, I would definitely show it off!
I rebuild my watchlist every night and mark stuff that I think is ready the next day. For any given day I usually only have 5-6 stocks that I am watching very closely. The rest are just kind of there as "back of my mind" ideas for later. At the end of the day if something didn't go then I will keep it on the list to stalk for a while and use those items if I run out of ideas during the day, to see if there are any opportunities in stuff I had been watching a couple days earlier. Then I usually wipe the whole thing clean and start over about once a month as it crosses 40-50 symbols because that just gets annoying and too much to manage. Interesting question about the wifi - yeah slippage can be annoying if I don't have a good connection, but I usually account for slippage in my position sizes so that if it slips a few cents it won't break me. If I have a slow connection I will usually scale back my risk and be more selective due to the added risk of disconnections, slippage, etc. That used to happen to me all the time at work: I worked in a lab where I couldn't have my cell phone and I'd be in a trade with no stop loss set (since I didn't want to get wicked out!) and the internet connection would randomly drop and I'd have to run out of the lab to get my phone and put in my stop loss or sell from my phone, lol. It cost me a bunch a couple times, so I started to take that into account when trading.
I also know traders who only trade 1-2 stocks and just know them so well that they can hit them over and over and make money for years. Those are a special breed of trader, IMO, and I would probably get bored out of my mind trading the same symbol every day lol.
I do find technical analysis to be reliable. It is a self fulfilling prophecy in a large way so it doesn't really provide any sound long term strategy but for short term strategy it works great. I use probably 98% technical analysis in my trading. EDIT: To clarify I mean that technical analysis is not a reason to make a long term investment in any one stock or financial instrument. However technical analysis can be used to make consistent short term gains over the long term.
I've never traded options. I hear they are great for reducing risk and capitalizing with a small account but my philosophy in the market is to do what works until it doesn't work anymore. For me, trading equities has worked well so I'll keep doing that until it doesn't. Maybe someday I will get into options, but I have no plan to do that currently.
Haha it's a personal thing I guess! I guess it could be nice to trade the same company over and over again but I like the excitement of finding new ideas all the time and the challenge of learning about different companies and how they behave in the market. I have even traded some companies that turned out to be total frauds and it's funny to me because I look back and see that almost all my trades in them were shorts and when they finally get crushed I am like HA! I KNEW IT!
Really interesting stuff. Perhaps in 30 years I will lose faith in technical analysis as well. Really though, I am pretty confident because more than I trust technical analysis I trust my risk management skills, and they, not technical analysis or fundamental analysis or economic analysis or anything else, are what ultimately make me my money.
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