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Another update on my solar powered farm and bitcoin mining in the desert

Tl;Dr - Just skip to the bottom where I lay out my solabattery requirements for mining and my solabattery requirements for vertical farming. Oh...and costs and earnings.
Well, Summer is here and we have had some extremely hot weeks. This has given us a chance to test our greenhouses at temperatures of 126F/52C. We are still up and running quite well. Our energy requirements have gone up quite a bit. But the electricity we are consuming is right in line with our estimates. We do not feel that the temperatures will be any higher than the numbers we have seen so far. Unless Global Warming is for real...because now that I think about it, we did blow through our all-time-high in temperatures...and this was the last day of Spring, if I recall.
We are ordering all of our equipment directly from China. Our 40' greenhouses are extremely cheap to build in China. We are building them for about 40% of what companies like Freight Farms and Bright-Agro-Tech are selling their systems for. Our system is at least 90% as good as their systems. But we do have many bugs, it seems when we first receive them from China. Perhaps my main complaint. They can be a bit finicky. I would not want to sell these as the customer service would consume me.
Our most simple greenhouse uses between 250 and 450 kwh per day. I am in San Diego. Our residential rates from SDG&E are $0.43 per kwh. That is crazy high, for the record. This would cost between about $105 and $190 per DAY. Between about $3,000 and $5,500 per month. Most people in the US pay about $0.11 per kwh. This would equate to a monthly bill of $750 and $1350 per month. The Arizona desert pays that rate, for example.
Next, these greenhouses grow about 4,000 heads of lettuce per month. Wholesale price for this lettuce is $1. We sell direct to the end user. We charge $1.50. But at wholesale prices, this generates $4,000 per month in revenue. Labor is 10 hours per greenhouse. We pay $20 per hour. When you add all the California bullshit taxes and fees for employees this puts us at about $30 per hour. We also have insurance and Workers Comp. This is about $40 per month for each greenhouse.
Ok, now for the solar and battery requirements. We use 150 panels of 300 watt panels. I know...this is a lot. It takes a lot of space. You need a lot of cheap land. We spend about $0.45 per watt for solar panels from China. Our lettuce greenhouses run for 8 hours per day with lights. The other 16 hours we go "dark" and do not use much energy (just pumps, air conditioning and a few devices). We run the lights and everything during the peak sun hours. This allows us to not purchase as many batteries because we are turning the sun directly into the farming and lighting. Then, when the sun starts to wane, we turn most systems off and just remain in a well-insulated state. The battery requirements are still large, however. We currently use 50 lead acid batteries for each greenhouse. Each battery is 24V and 200 amp hours. Each battery costs us $180 from China.
Ok, how does this all tie into bitcoin and bitcoin mining? Here's the answer. Each Antminer S9 uses about 1400 watts when it is placed in the environment of our lettuce greenhouse. We place between one and four miners in each greenhouse. We need about 6,000 watts in solar panels to charge up the batteries and simultaneously run one S9 for 24 hours straight. We need 15 of the 24V/200 amp hour batteries for each miner. Cost for panels is $3,000. Batteries are $2750. The miner, when you buy from Bitmain is $1225 delivered to your door in the US. I have over-clocked the miners as high as I am comfy with. I am generating 0.007 btc per miner per day right now. That is about $18 per day at today's rate.
So here is how it all breaks down for the vertical farm: cost for one lettuce farm that is 100% off grid is about $90k. This includes EVERYTHING... solar, batteries, control systems, installation and framing for the solar, greenhouse, all equipment, air conditioners a water cooler...everything. Monthly labor, insurance, nutrients and supplies is $1500. Shipping of the lettuce is about $400. Total net profit is about $2100 per month. And $25,000 per year.
Mining...ok...this is the wobbly one to predict. Just remember this and it'll make it all easier to accept these numbers: bitcoin is probably headed to $10,000 within 3 years. If you don't believe that then much of this will just be comical to you (if it isn't already). One miner will cost (miner + solar panels + batteries + power control systems + cooling equipment and the solabatteries to support it) = $8000. The solar and battery system costs a total of $6800. The miner is $1200. Once you have purchased the solar and batteries, you own them forever. They can be used to mine for 25 years for solar and at least 6 years with the lead acid batteries. You can amortize these costs. If bitcoin drops to $0 then you can instantly switch your solar and batteries to your farm. This is how I backstop my potential losses.
Now, here is the magical way we have figured out how to avoid the "decay" that is built into the miners: we run them for 4 to 8 weeks then we sell them on the open market at a premium over cost. When you purchase large numbers from Bitmain, they will offer you a discounted price. The miners seem to always go up in value in between releases fom Bitmain. After 6 to 9 months of reselling at this pace, you will make all of your initial investment back in the miners. You will also stay current with the miners. So, one miner will generate about 2 btc per year (when you stay ahead of decay). That is $5,000 per year at today's rate. If bitcoin follows the trend (and you believe) then I expect that you will generate $6500 or more within one year from mining today. This means the system will completely pay for itself (including solar and batteries) in about one year. Oh...and then after a year, you own a brand new miner (cuz you have been constantly reselling them to stay current and slightly profit). Oh...and you how have 6kw of solar AND batteries...just keep mining til bitcoin is outlawed. You are now in a unique position...your mining rig costs you $0 from this point forward.
I have calculated the amount of profit you can make if you build your own solabattery array and point this array to different businesses. One business is a modern, vertical farm which is good for the environment and makes healthier food. The other is a bitcoin mining operation. Both businesses have energy as their single largest cost of doing business. I like the idea of having two businesses that I can just point an energy source towards and they start making money. Isn't that kinda cool to think about? Farming generates a net profit of $0.22 per kwh from a solabattery system. Bitcoin mining generates $0.51 per kwh for the exact same system. Think about that for a minute.
Also, what the fuck? If bitcoin actually does take off, imagine how it will pollute the world with miners in places with shitty but cheap fossil fuel. Shouldn't we be mining on renewable energy since...let's be honest, bitcoin shouldn't really exist? It only exists because people lie a bunch. It seems like protecting ourselves from our despicable selves shouldn't turn the world into a toilet that may become uninhabitable.
I just wanted to share everything with this community. If it weren't for this community, I would have been nervous about trying this crazy idea. What I mean by this is that I appreciate the handful of people here who have a lot of bitcoin and just handed them over to me so that I could test this TOTALLY insane and HIGHLY SPECULATIVE business model. I told you (those who lost their btc to me) that I will make it up to you. For the couple of you who didn't threaten to kill me, I will return your btc when my profits from mining hit 4,000 btc, unless the price is under $3100 per btc...seems fair...you did lose...and it was a fair bet.
I hope for several things from this post. (1) The nice people who are here hopefully will take this info and appreciate what went into getting these numbers. (2) Someone will read this, run the numbers themselves and decide to do the exact same thing. (3) Someone in an area with good sun, year round, will set up a mining operation based on my model. (4) Someone will bet me publicly again that I am lying. (5) Someone interesting will buy the land next to mine and compete head-to-head with me...I seem to perform better under competition.
To;Dr - To take a miner off grid, in a sunny place, will cost $8,000 (including the miner). You'll break even in a year if you follow my plan (and if fate complies as well). One 40' greenhouse that is off grid costs me $90k. Least amount of net profit per greenhouse is $25,000 per year. Average net profit is $36,000per year, typically from blending lettuce and other crops such as basil.
Farming generates a net profit of $0.22 per kwh from a solabattery system. Bitcoin mining generates $0.51 per kwh for the exact same system. Think about that for a minute. We sell energy back to the grid for about $0.05. Does anyone look at this the way I am looking at it?...I am just curious.
Anybody have any questions?
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Mining is how you vote for rule changes. Greg's comments on BU revealed he has no idea how Bitcoin works. He thought "honest" meant "plays by Core rules." [But] there is no "honesty" involved. There is only the assumption that the majority of miners are INTELLIGENTLY PROFIT-SEEKING. - ForkiusMaximus

The title of this post is a compressed summary combining some important quotes from several recent comments by u/ForkiusMaximus, which I thought were worth highlighting here in a post of their own.
His comments remind us that Bitcoin was already brilliantly designed by Satoshi so that the majority of "honest" "intelligently profit-seeking" miners will always be economically incentivized to use their hashpower to vote for the rule changes which will maximize their (and everyone else's) Bitcoin profits - and they will always do this regardless of any censorship or centralized dev teams.
Meanwhile, Core/Blockstream (and their supporters) totally fail to understand this subtle but vital point: they think that devs somehow control Bitcoin, by forcing people to run certain code... or moderators somehow control Bitcoin, by censoring certain forums... or now non-mining nodes can somehow control Bitcoin by suggesting a futile and pointless "user-activated soft-fork" (UASF) - ie a fork not supported by actual mining hashpower.
This all shows that Core/Blockstream (and their supporters) have a fundamental misunderstanding of the most important aspect of Bitcoin - the fact that:
This is why the 21 million coin cap will never get increased.
And this is why blocksizes will always continue to moderately increase.
Not because some dev team made it "hard" to modify these settings in the code.
And not because some moderator censored some discussion about some alternative clients.
The reason Bitcoin works is simply because the vast majority of miners are "honest" "intelligently profit-seeking".
This is why mining support for Core/Blockstream's centrally-planned blocksize has dropped to 2/3 of network hashpower (despite their big team of "experts" and all their censorship and fiat funding).
And this is why 1/3 of mining hashpower has already started voting for some form of market-driven blocksizes...
... not because BU or Classic suddenly "gave" them this power (after all, they always had this power themselves)...
... but simply because the vast majority of miners are "honest" "intelligently profit-seeking", and they know that bigger blocks will bring higher profits.
So, miners have always been able to use their hashpower (and even modify the Bitcoin client source code if they wanted) in order to vote for rule changes which would support bigger blocksizes and higher Bitcoin profits for everyone - with or without any help from BU, Classic, etc. - and there is nothing that any dev team (or any censored forum) can do to prevent miners from doing this.
So it is inevitable that miners will use their hashpower to vote for bigger blocksizes, because this means much higher Bitcoin profits for them (and also bigger Bitcoin profits for the rest of us :-)... simply because (as Satoshi clearly did understand, but most Core/Blockstream devs clearly do not understand):

The vast majority of miners are "honest" "intelligently profit-seeking".

The original comments by u/ForkiusMaximus providing an explanation of these important (but often subtle) concepts are shown below - with some text bolded & italicized for empahsis.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5z3hv5/bloomberg_antpool_will_switch_entire_pool_to/dev7drt/?context=3
We don't have to trust [miners] to be "honest" as Satoshi unfortunately worded it.
Replace the term honest with "intelligently profit-seeking."
Bitcoin assumes miners are intelligently profit-seeking, meaning that they have a decent enough read on what the ecosystem wants that they can and will make any necessary changes to please the ecosystem and thus boost their own bottom line.
Greg's recent comments on BU totally discredited him, as he revealed himself to have no friggin' idea how Bitcoin works.
He actually thought "honest" meant something like "plays by Core rules." That's a completely broken understanding of Bitcoin, and implies centralization.
It's the kind of misconception I'd expect from a run-of-the-mill nobody on a forum, not from the mighty leader of Core/BS. I'm kinda pissed I wasted mental clock ticks trying to debate this guy without realizing he has not just a flawed understanding, but zero understanding of how Bitcoin works at all. And of course all his supporters parrot his nonsense view of how Bitcoin supposedly works.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5yxreu/classic_fearmongering_example_by_bitcoin_core/dev0x5d/?context=3
Mining control is the key invention of Bitcoin. It's how it doesn't just devolve into yet another failed subjective monetary scheme. If you don't like it, you should figure out another scheme. Perhaps proof of stake is more your thing?
Also, it's pretty amazing that you think just because BU makes it more convenient for miners to do what they always could do, that that somehow dooms Bitcoin. If that dooms it, it was already a dead man walking.
How do you propose to stop miners from altering their own blocksize settings?
If you have no answer, you have no grounds to attack BU without falling into the category of being a Bitcoin skeptic.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5zoywt/the_largest_problem_of_bitcoin_is_that_most/df0jutk/
It's actually fairly subtle: mining IS how you vote for rule changes, BUT miners have every incentive to vote with the market, so they DON'T have any meaningful ability to push rules on the community (even under BU).
There is no trust or "honesty" involved, as Satoshi unfortunately worded it. There is only the underlying assumption that makes Bitcoin work: the assumption that the vast majority of miners are INTELLIGENTLY PROFIT-SEEKING.
The only way this system can break is if the majority of miners seek something other than profit (say a government took the major mining pools over and somehow hashers couldn't switch away in time), or the miners misjudge what the market wants (due to a failure of market communication).
However, in this case and on these timescales it is obvious the current crop of miners are generally profit-seeking. And if they are misjudging the market, we have a remedy: we can resolve that through fork futures trading on the exchanges.
Note that this is just moving the decision from the first kind of investors (miners) to the general investing public. Miners are a first-line proxy for investors in general. If they fail to reflect investor will, investors are free to take it to the market by forking and trading the two sides of the fork (preferably as futures so as to avoid scrambling to upgrade urgently).
Also important would be to maximize freedom of discussion so that market communication is not distorted. Finally, the whole idea of the UASF people, that we would poll the ecosystem somehow to prove the economic majority wants some change, already means that merely showing this proof to the miners should convince them, as they are intelligently profit-seeking. But that obviates the need for a UASF in the first place (!).
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5yyotu/if_blockstream_core_offchain_solutions_are_any/deu0hpn/
I used to think they don't understand markets, but in fact they are stuck at an even more basic level than that.
I took a spin through the wreckage of /Bitcoin today for the first time in weeks. It was pleasantly surprising to see how with the ramping up of miner support for BU, the Core arguments have been reduced to obvious fundamental misunderstandings of Bitcoin that are now trivial to rebut.
In a word, they haven't actually grasped the concept of incentives.
This goes all the way to the top, not just the supporters but the key Core devs themselves. They don't understand markets, yes, but it's not like they are even close. They lack the understanding of even the fundamental building blocks of markets.
When you think about it, governance by incentives is pretty subtle. Even if one reads the whitepaper and goes, "Oh yeah I see, miners would be motivated not to kill the golden goose in that situation," it is quite another matter to fully internalize the fact that the only reason Bitcoin is a thing at all is because of the assumption that miners are not idiots. Or more accurately, that miners as a group will never have a gross failure to correctly apprehend the wishes of the market.
This is the source of all the weird claims about miners controlling or not controlling Bitcoin.
Core and Blockstream dev Matt Corallo thinks that if miners were allowed to (not mentioning how they could be disallowed to), they would mine extra coins for all the "extra profits." Again this goes beyond failing to understand markets, all the way down to failing to understand or take seriously incentives as a concept at all. I'm not blaming him, he's a coder; I blame those who take his commentary on non-coding matters seriously, merely by dint of his coding skill.
A constant refrain from Core supporters as BU gain hashpower is that "miners don't control Bitcoin." This is actually correct: miners don't control Bitcoin, they won't act against the economic majority. But not because they can't. They certainly can, just like oncoming traffic can swerve toward you on the freeway. But they don't, because that would destroy them as well.
Thus is the subtlety of governance by incentives. Miners have control, but they won't use it to do anything that displeases the ecosystem, on balance. Or they might, but in that case Bitcoin is a failed concept as its fundamental assumption is then proven to be broken.
Many or most anti-BU arguments unwittingly take that form: they start with the premise that Bitcoin is broken [i.e., miners are idiots or that they grossly fail to read the market] and reason from there to conclude that BU is broken. Examples include the median EB attack, the various big block attacks, and the bizarre claim that BU has a "new security model" because it "lets miners do something they couldn't before" (ironically implying Core has snuck in a new security model where they try to restrain miners by making it inconvenient for them to change a blocksize setting).
Hence we see that it isn't merely a matter of Core and Blockstream people having initially dismissed Bitcoin and then later seeing the light when the price rises forced them to look deeper. They in fact still haven't seen the light. They never fully understood the basic dynamic that makes Bitcoin tick, let alone understanding higher level concepts like markets. This is why they so easily fall into the central planning mindset, seeing Bitcoin as a fragile little thing that must be defended by their wise paternalistic guidance.
The Core devs have replaced the fundamental assumption in the whitepaper, that most miners are honest (I prefer "most miners are not idiots" as it is harder to misinterpret), with the fundamental assumption that the right set of people (or the right repository governance structure) is in charge of the "reference implementation."
This manifests as a kind of envy toward the miners and comes with all the other curious trappings of the Core worldview: the code is the spec, hard forks are dangerous, Core = Bitcoin, anything that deviates from Core diktats is an "altcoin," it doesn't count as censorship to delete discussion of alternative clients as they are "off topic," nodes > miners, anything that makes it a bit easier for miners to do something Core doesn't like is an "attack" on Bitcoin, centralized control by Core is necessary to preserve decentralization, UASF is a viable idea, Segwit has consensus among "the Bitcoin experts," and so on.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5yvtrn/new_atl_alltime_low_for_bitcoin_core_client/detpkdj/
Estimated Core hashrate down below 2/3 already.
Core has lost supermajority status, even with all the historical inertia, miner conservatism, and crackerjack programmers they are reported to have on their side. Even with the "consensus" of "the experts."
Even with two years of mindbendingly extreme censorship in their favor on the two biggest Bitcoin discussion forums.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5yvuw7/while_nobody_was_paying_attention/detqbnd/?context=3
The Core devs have directly created this situation by keeping the blocksize cap locked down long after it became controversial. The logic of how users make needed changes to the protocol, as mentioned in the whitepaper, requires that users be able to easily adjust any settings that are controversial, so as to be able to "vote with their CPU" power in a smooth manner.
Core tries to leverage their waning "reference implementation" status to rig the vote by deliberately leaving the now maximally controversial blocksize limit hard-coded, forcing the user to venture out into relatively new dev team offerings if they want to cast a vote. This is exactly how you create the conditions for a contentious split. They have brought this upon themselves entirely.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5z6w2u/bitcoin_on_linux_should_be_a_virtual_package/dewjwlh/
Adam implies BU is pre-alpha, yet it is winning in the only arena where people actually put their money where their mouths are.
How pathetic does it make Core that they are losing to a pre-alpha client?
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Eat a D, BTC. Conversely, support VRC with me and make gainz like it's BTC in 2010 all over again.

VRC = Vericoin. Vericoin is a Proof of Stake Currency that can be purchased on Bittrex. Vericoin is unlike any other Proof of Stake coin because it pairs its blockchain with a Proof of Work blockchain (Verium Reserve), which allows Vericoin to be more secure than just about any other Proof of Work coin. Oh and it's totally decentralized.

Proof of Stake is the future. With Proof of Stake, you earn coins every single day by simply keeping coins in your wallet and keeping your wallet open on any computer as low powered as a potato. The computing power does not matter for the amount of coins earned per day, but instead the amount of coins in your wallet and the length of time that they have been staking.

The only down side to Proof of Stake is that it isn't as secure as Proof of Work. But you see, Vericoin thought of this. Vericoin has a sister coin called Verium Reserve which is Proof of Work. The two blockchains are interwoven for lack of better terms and thus piggy back off each others strengths. This allows Verium Reserve mining hash power to secure the network for Vericoin making transactions even faster and allowing the network to be as secure as a Proof of Work network.

Why support a coin like BTC where you need a $3,000 miner to secure the network? With a proof of stake coin like Vericoin, the lowest powered PCs can secure the network just as well as a super computer. And Vericoin, despite being completely unique in it's own way and superior in technology to BTC, has a market cap of less than 2 Million... yes, less than 2 Million! This bear market sucks, but if we pool our interest into something unique and better than the status quo, then Vericoin can rise with the cream of the crop in crypto and we can make hella gainz, even in this shitty bear market.

Quit allowing the ugly pig Bitcoin to control everything. Quit allowing the 16 people that bought in 2010 keep telling you that for crypto to succeed, then it has to be Bitcoin - that's bullshit. For crypto to succeed, we need to quit putting lipstick on a pig and support something that was built after Bitcoin and can scale to support the world's needs and also allow anyone to participate in the minting of coins, not just the elite.
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Coin-a-Year: Nyancoin

Hello cryptocurrency lovers! Welcome to Coin-a-Year, the laziest series yet in the Coin-a-Day publishing empire. This year's coin is Nyancoin (NYAN). I originally covered Nyancoin in an article here in /cryptocurrency published January 4th, 2015.
Without (much) further ado, I'm going to include the original report next, unmodified. This is unlike my Coin-a-Week series, where I use strikeout and update in-text. Because this is going to be a longer update, I'll just make all further comments and updates below, just realize that all information below is as of January 4th, 2015 and thus is more than a year out of date as of posting now, at the end of February 2016.
Since I use horizontal rules as internal dividers in the original post, I'll use a double horizontal rule to divide the original text from this prelude and the following update.
Coin-a-Day Jan 4th
Welcome to the fourth installment of Coin-a-Day! To see convenient links to the introduction and the previous entries, please see /coinaday. Today's coin is Nyancoin (NYAN).
Summary
• ~173.6 million available currently [1]; 337 million limit [2]
• All-time high: ~0.000024 BTC on February 16, 2014 [1]
• Current price: ~3 satoshi [1]
• Current market cap: ~$1,275 [1]
• Block rate (average): 1 minute [1] [3]
• Transaction rate: ~25? / last 24 hours; estimated $3-4 [4]
• Transaction limit: 70 / second [5]
• Transaction cost: 0 for most transactions [6]
• Rich list: ??? [7]
• Exchanges: Cryptsy [8]
• Processing method: Mining [10]
• Distribution method: proof-of-work block rewards and 1% premine for "bounties, giveaways & dev support" [2] [10]
• Community: Comatose [9]
• Code/development: https://github.com/nyancoin-release/nyancoin ; there hasn't been a released code change in 10 months. The new developer has talked about some changes, but has not made a new release. He has given advice about how to keep the network running and operate the client. [10]
• Innovation or special feature: First officially licensed cryptocurrency (from Nyancat) [2]; "zombie"-coin [11]
Description / Community:
So you're probably wondering why in the world we're talking about a coin which has been declared dead and already written off. I actually first selected this coin to illustrate a "deadcoin", but the more I dug into it, the more I was amazed at the shambles I discovered. I am combining the description and community sections for this coin, because the community (or lack thereof) is the central issue for Nyancoin.
Substantially all, if not literally all, of the original infrastructure is gone. From the announcement post, the original website has expired. The nyan.cat site itself survives, but has no reference to the coin. The github repo remains, but then there was never much changed from the bitcoin/litecoin original. In fact, the COPYING file doesn't even list "Nyancoin Developers". None of the original nodes seem to be running anymore. @Nyan_Coin hasn't tweeted since July 6th. And that was just to announce posting an admittedly cute picture to facebook which makes a claim for a future which seems never to have developed. Of the original 15 pools, I think all are dead except p2pool, for which at least one node still supports NYAN. The original blockchain explorer, nyancha.in, is still running. The faucet is dead or broken. The original exchanges no longer list it (two of the three having died; SwissCEX having ended its trading as of the first of this year). And so forth.
And yet:

I'm not dead! I'm getting better!

No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
[Of course, that scene finishes with knocking out the "recovering" patient so he can be taken away...not to mention the absurdity of including Monty Python in a financial article, but moving right along.]
There is still just enough left to Nyancoin to keep it twitching, even if it is on life-support. Whether it's an individual node or whether it's a pool, there are blocks being produced at a steady rate as intended. Transactions are being processed. There is still a market. There is still a block explorer. And there is a dev. It is like a case study in the absolute minimum necessary to keep a coin alive. The most likely outcome is almost certainly a final collapse when one critical piece or another of the infrastructure goes away. And yet in the meantime, a person can own a million NYAN for $8 [12], and then move this coin quickly and easy, albeit with no particular external demand. It's like the world's most hyped testnet.
I think this case presents an interesting example of what happens to an altcoin when its initial support dries up. NYAN coin is more fortunate than some, actually, as there are some where there are no longer any nodes running it nor the original announcement thread (in fact, there was actually a second Nyancoin launched around the same time. But it died hard and its original announcement thread was deleted and at this point I would have no idea how to access it; so "Nyancoin" thus illustrates how hard a coin can die (Nyancoin 2) as well as how it can hang around despite being proclaimed dead, with far more justification behind that pronouncement than there has been for bitcoin (NYAN) ).
Footnotes
[1] http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nyancoin/
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402085.0 Regarding the premine, it's unclear to me where this money is now, since the original poster hasn't been active on BCT since May and the original site is down. However, given that it's only 1%, and about $25 in value right now, there seem to be more significant concerns for NYAN.
[3] http://nyancha.in/chain/Nyancoin - Nyan blockchain explorer; blocks are somewhat inconsistent but somewhere around the 1 minute average
[4] There doesn't seem to be anything automatically doing these stats, so I did visual inspection on about 1500 blocks (about one day) excluding the block generation reward (~250k/day). Most blocks are otherwise empty. I counted about 24 transactions or so scrolling through, with an outlier around 300k NYAN and another around 100k NYAN. In total, about 500k NYAN, excluding the block rewards. This is very approximately $3-4.
[5] Nyancoin is a basically unmodified, slightly out-of-date bitcoin as far as code goes, and ignoring the change in block rate and total coin supply, as well as the difficulty retarget after every block. So for purposes of estimating maximum possible transaction throughput, I start with bitcoin's estimated 7 transactions per second, and multiply by 10 for having a block on average every minute rather than every 10 minutes. In any event, this limit is not likely to be reached in the foreseeable future.
[6] Like bitcoin, transaction fees appear to be optional in Nyancoin. Unlike bitcoin, there is almost no transaction volume, and coins tend to sit for a relatively long time before being moved. So zero-fee transactions appear to be the norm from looking at a couple transactions on the block explorer.
[7] I couldn't find one. See the disclosure section of this article: your humble correspondent is likely represented in some way on a top 100 if one were to be made or if one exists, despite not holding it directly, depending on how the exchange holds it.
[8] I could not find any other exchanges still listing Nyancoin. SwissCex appears to have disabled it as of a couple days ago. Cryptsy has a notice that the NYAN/BTC market will be closing, but its NYAN/LTC market appears strong.
[9] Essentially all of the original sites, pools, faucets, etc. are dead and there has been very little to replace it. There is basically a single node, or perhaps a very few, which are running the blockchain. However, there is a developer still trying to hold things together, maxvall_dev, maxvall on BCT. He is the last hope for the NYAN.
[10] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597877.0 This is the thread where maxvall took over as dev, and it also discusses switching to PoS, which hasn't happened as far as I know.
[11] "zombie"-coin: Not to be confused with ZMB (my god, does it ever end?). This is my term to describe a coin which is "undead": by rights it should be dead. And yet it's still walking around and acting like it's alive. What is it? What's going on? It's quite debatable whether this gives it any special value, but I find it an interesting state, and it's why this was chosen for early coverage. There are plenty of actually popular and successful coins, and we will go onto covering more normal selections; we're looking for variety rather than repetition. But I think this is an interesting example for what can go wrong, and yet in the midst of that, how little it takes for a coin to survive. In fact, it's almost like an alternate history bitcoin to me; this shows the concept that "it was run on one computer before; it can be run on one computer again" to some extent. And there are even some strange pragmatic benefits as well, like having no competition for getting a transaction into a block and thus zero transaction fees.
[12] And, in fact, the author chose to do so today, spending about 0.03 BTC for about 1 million NYAN.
Additional Reading
/nyancoins - Like NYAN: mostly dead, but not quite
http://nyan-coin.org/ - new official website
BCT thread listing nodes, xpool (p2pool), for mining information.
americanpegasus predicting in February that NYAN will hit $1; always an entertaining read
Giveaway
Instead of a challenge today, since NYAN has enough challenges, I decided I would give away 10,000 NYAN to at least the first ten people who ask for it. This still remains at my discretion, but honestly, if you really want, say, 50,000 NYAN and create four new accounts to do so, I'll probably be too amused to say no. I don't expect to get ten requests. If I get more, I'll probably still fulfill them, but as with everything else, this is left to my whim.
Donations and Disclosure
Okay, this is an important one today because of the tiny market here. I actually hold less USD value in NYAN than in BTC, DOGE, and PPC (although my value in PPC might be about equivalent actually), but I hold more of the total market in NYAN than any of those three. And I'll probably be buying more. So I have a conflict of interest in writing this article.
I am not providing financial advice and I do not make any recommendations of any sort on any matters. Make your own decisions; do your own research. Please, I do not want to hear about anyone doing anything "on my advice." I am not offering advice.
I personally hold just over 1 million NYAN on Cryptsy right now.
Perhaps it would be better if I didn't write any articles about anything I were invested inspeculating on, but I started this series for my own education to further my speculation, so unfortunately, dear reader, your needs come second to my own. tanstaafl; you get what you pay for, and I'm giving you my thoughts.
If by some strange quirk of fate you actually own NYAN and enjoyed this article and wished to donate some to me, K7Ho9HghBF6xWwS6JsepE6RAEPyAXbsQCV is mine (first non-empty account I've posted; transferred 1000 NYAN into here earlier from Cryptsy to test that the network and my wallet were actually working).
Thank you all for reading and commenting! I've already learned a lot from this process and I look forward to more!
Upcoming coins:
• January 5th: Nxt
• January 6th: Darkcoin
• January 7th: Namecoin
I'll use alphabetic labeling for footnotes in the updates to avoid any confusion with the footnotes in the original. For simplicity, unchanged items, like the 337 million limit and the 1 minute will not be mentioned, and we'll start with the summary changes.
Updates:
Summary
  • ~263.7 million NYAN currently exist [a]
  • Current price: ~7 satoshi [b]
  • Current market cap: ~$8,000 [c]
  • Transaction rate: ~185 / last 24 hours; ~3,300,000 NYAN (~$100) [d]
  • Exchanges: Cryptopia [e]
  • Community: We're not quite dead yet; in fact, I think we're getting better! [f]
  • Code/Development: I have an early draft of NYAN2, but I'm about six months past my initial goal for having it available to use. Life/work/lack of build machine/procrastination. NYAN2 will be a rebase onto a modern LTC codebase which will soft fork to fix a current vulnerability to a fork bug. For now, the network still runs on the same code that it did when I wrote the first article.
Discussion
I'm going to consider the community first, since I pointed it out as the weakness and central topic in the last one, then talk about the technical situation briefly, and then review the financial results.
The community has been excellent, if I do say so myself. We've got working infrastructure going thanks to the contributions of many Nekonauts (see [f]). Some original Nekonauts have returned or at least popped in from time to time, and new ones like myself have found Nyancoin (I would say given what I wrote in the original, I was still a skeptic of it at that point. Not that skeptics can't be Nekonauts, but I think I'd put my conversion to the cult of nyan shortly after writing that, even though I was already a nillionaire then for the heck of it.)
While I do look forward to seeing the community continue to grow in future years and consider that important, I don't think the community is our weakest point any longer; I think it's now our strongest point. I've tried to encourage the community's revival as best I could, including giving away tens of nillions in total, and lots of long rambling articles on my views on ethics and philosophy and frankly it's worked better than I would've really expected (or at least it has coincided with an effective recovery of the community). The community also helped me through at least a couple hard times personally in there as well.
The technical situation in Nyancoin is mostly unchanged but slightly improved, although with two additional known vulnerabilities. It's unchanged in that it's the same client. It's improved in that we have an active nyanchain explorer host (nyan.space), and we have a public draft of a plan for a soft forking security fix update in the near future (hopefully by the end of March (although I've slipped these deadlines before and may well miss March for release by a bit, I do think I'm inching closer now and then)).
The most serious vulnerability is to forking. This is the bug which hit Peercoin if I recall correctly. NYAN2 is intended to solve this through its soft fork from the LTC fix upstream (from the BTC fix upstream). In the meantime, we've been lucky we haven't been attacked. The tiny marketcap probably helps with not being a particularly attractive attack target. We're not exactly about to pay ransom to move faucet outputs. But that's no excuse; we want this fixed and should have it finally done "soon" (tm).
The less serious vulnerability is to a time warp attack in the difficulty function (Kimoto Gravity Well), which relates to general weaknesses it has and issues we've had with large gaps in the block chain because of spikes in the difficulty function causing it to be unprofitable and driving away most of the hash, and then low difficulty and price rise making it attractive to more hash, creating a spike and causing it again. While this is irritating, the chain still works, even if there are fits and starts at times. An important part of the reason I can get away with this is because there is at least one Nekonaut-supporting miner, CartmanSPC, who rescues us from time to time, and did so during the course of this article being written. We have a bunch of pools, but sometimes the hash just isn't there to get us unstuck when the difficulty goes high enough. Another part of the reason I consider it not an especially serious issue is because there's a workaround which works for me (classic bad developer logic): I use a large transaction fee (generally 337 NYAN, although I might have halved it after the most recent halving, I'll probably use 337 again) on my personal wallet by default. If necessary, I use a couple of them. It can make NYAN profitable to mine again despite the higher difficulty and "unstick" the chain. The difficulty function can go back down again in the next block if the gap has been long enough, so that can be enough to keep it going again for a while (although it can also get stuck again irritatingly fast at times). A fix for this will be putting in a better difficulty function for NYAN3, which will require a hard fork. This is tentatively scheduled for feature freeze around the middle of this year, coding to follow, activation sometime early 2017.
Financial has been our most disappointing performance. A graph of the 1 year performance right now on coinmarketcap looks pretty sad, showing our fall from a little over 60 satoshi down to around 7 satoshi now.
We rose too high, too fast, and I didn't stick with the safe high paying job like a sane person. Instead I hit the road, went to jail, and worked minimum wage. That doesn't sound like a sentence from a cryptocurrency financial review, does it? But the performance of NYAN since the article has been the story of my personal finances, which is the story of my life since then.
So, autobiographical coinaday interlude, trying to keep it generally to the most salient points. Well, in 2014 I had been on my way home to Minnesota from California when I was pulled over leaving Eureka, Nevada for speeding (got sloppy and went 45 approaching the 45 sign and thus technically still in the 35; bored cop seeing out-of-state plates). My vehicle reeked of weed, what with having been in Mendocino County previously with no intention of traveling out of the county much less state anytime soon but family emergency brought me back, and the end result was a citation for possession of cannabis and paraphernalia along with the speeding.
Fast forward to the beginning of 2015, I'm settled into a good software position and start looking more at cryptocurrency in my spare time. I write the coin-a-day series for a bit and then got annoyed and quit after a while when trying to do one a day on top of an actual job was too much for me (along with some annoyance over criticism; I can be rather thin-skinned at times). But I had gotten interested in Nyancoin, and started buying it up more and more with extra money I was making.
And then comes the crash. I had to stop putting as much in as I realized that where I was living and what I was working on wasn't going to work out for me and I needed to figure something else out. So, as I seem wont to do, I went on a roadtrip. I quit my job. And I went back for the court date for my citations and refused to pay, instead spending 10 days in jail rather than pay ~$1400 (I actually had the money in cash available to me if I chose to pay as a backup if I chickened out, but the judge annoyed me enough that I really preferred to be jailed instead of paying, as stupid as that sounds since I'm quite sure the judge didn't care in the least one way or another).
After that, I went back to roadtrip lifestyle for a while. It was a nice period. A lot of beautiful scenery; a lot of reading. Eventually, I busted up my car pretty badly...a couple times actually, the second time for good. Fast forwarding through the rest of the year, I worked a couple minimum wage jobs to pay bills and avoid cubicle life and kill some time until I figured out what I was going to do next. Just recently I quit as delivery boy after getting a speeding ticket (I swear, I'm not as horrible of a driver as this makes me sounds, although I have had a bad tendency to speed in the past, which I really have curbed to almost nothing; but I'm clearly not good enough) and am currently writing a Coin-a-Year article with a friend's incentive and applying to do documentation and development with the Nu project.
Okay, so what did any of that have to do with NYAN? Well, it's the mess of a life that has led to the fall of the price from 60 satoshi to 7 satoshi. If instead my life history for the time since the article had been simply "I was happily employed writing software", then I don't believe we would have dropped below 20 satoshi. It's easy to see in hindsight. If anyone can lend me a time machine, I'm sure I can get some condensed instructions which should improve performance significantly. Otherwise, just going to have more chalked up for the "character building" tally.
So, lessons learned if you are the major buy support for your coin: you need long-term reserves. Whatever you put in bids can be taken out in a moment by a dump for no apparent reason. This is particularly true if you may be quitting your cushy, high-paying job and wandering around without income for an extended period of time. Rather obvious, but hey, maybe someone else can learn from my mistakes. If I'd been bidding as cautiously as I am now from the beginning, I think the price would probably be somewhere from 10-20 satoshi now instead of around 7 satoshi.
It's especially unfortunate given that I wanted to be able to demonstrate the more consistent growth possible building a stable store of value, as opposed to the pump and dumps common in altcoins. And instead we had a pump-and-dump looking graph ourselves after I bid up higher than I was able to sustain, and a large (10+ nillion) instadump crashed the market all the way back down to 1 satoshi momentarily. We've had a few large (2+ nillion) dumps since, but nothing that large. We haven't generally had that large of bids though either.
It's hard to know when I've exhausted the supply at a price level, when it sometimes waits for a couple weeks or even more and then fills all the bids at once. But I want to maximize the minimum price paid because I think that's important for building confidence in a store of value long-term, which is one of my core goals for NYAN.
At the same time, we're still up from the lowest parts of the floor and where I found it. Since I own about 30% [g], the very cheapest supply has been taken off the market. I plan to keep on buying up "cheap NYAN" as much as I can. I've bought up to 60 satoshi before, I'll probably buy up that high this time around. I've got a token 100,000 NYAN ask at 300 satoshi; I hope never to sell lower.
Conclusions
Now I try to wrap it all together as if I saw this all coming and am the wise expert, despite having had about 90% drop in price in the last year after bidding too high. My original concept was taking the "minimum viable coin" and reviving it to a powerhouse as a textbook example in how to do it.
Part of my core concept in this is the arbitrariness of value: throughout history, humans have chosen any number of things as a store of value for the time: salt, large rocks, certain metals, disks, marked sticks, and so forth. While there has generally been a certain logic in the choice, in that there is a locally restricted supply in one way or another, and so forth, from the perspective of other centuries or cultures the choices can seem quite strange. Growing up, I was always struck by how strange the notion of salt being limited and valuable seemed in a world where people were trying to reduce intake and large amounts could be bought for trivial sums. And yet, a key nutrient necessary for life fundamentally makes more sense as being valuable than notched sticks or printed paper or a piece of plastic with some encoded information.
Humans have perpetually come up with stranger and stranger ways of storing and transferring value. Each new step, as always, comes with its own disadvantages and, frankly, has generally appeared nonsensical at best and fraudulent at worst to the status quo. Which doesn't mean that each new attempt is valuable. The gold bugs always like to point out that every fiat currency ultimately returns to its true value of zero. And the skeptics of cryptocurrency argue that all cryptocurrencies will eventually return to their true value of zero.
It's certainly possible. And it's possible the USD will hyperinflate someday. I tend to try the moderate view for a plausible guess of the future. By that type of logic, I would guess that over the course of decades, USD will in general lose value, and cryptocurrency will tend to slowly gain value. That might not seem the moderate view, but USD not losing value over decades would be truly shocking. And hyperinflation has been predicted since the USD went off the gold standard, or before. So some amount of inflation less than hyperinflation seems like the safe guess (but then, the Titanic arriving would also have seemed like the safe guess to me). And with cryptocurrency, I think it's clear by now the technology will continue to survive. So my first question is with what overall value as a market? It could go down, of course, but that seems unlikely in an already small, young market. Even if all the current crop die off and are replaced, whatever cryptocurrencies are around should be able to do better than a handful of billion in market cap in my view.
I believe that cryptocurrency has a bright future ahead of it. The best coins should ultimately survive and thrive. But I've been wrong on most of my major calls so far, like for instance when I thought BTC was over-priced around $5-$10.
I think Nyancoin can have an important role to play in the future of cryptocurrency in the years and decades to come, but it's a massively speculative long-shot. See also Nyancoin risks document. But like Linus Torvalds' autobiography, I try to keep "Just for Fun" as a core motto and principle. It's makes for a good hobby project because there will always be more to work on, with a core community motto of
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!
Disclaimers / Sponsorship:
As I said before:
I am not providing financial advice and I do not make any recommendations of any sort on any matters. Make your own decisions; do your own research. Please, I do not want to hear about anyone doing anything "on my advice." I am not offering advice.
And I'll reiterate that I own about 30% [g] of the current supply of NYAN, which makes me by definition maximally biased.
Also, I'm not sure what's up with the address from the first post. It doesn't show up in my current wallet as a recognized address. So, anyhow, don't send there. :-) If you'd like to donate, please consider sponsoring a coin-a-day or coin-a-week article.
This is the first sponsored article. This Coin-a-Year article has been brought to you by spydud22 's generous patronage. I'd been meaning to do a Coin-a-Week article on Nyancoin for a while, but between wanting to "wait until the price recovered a bit" and general procrastination, then it seemed like it would make a good Coin-a-Year article, and then I wanted to wait until the price recovered a bit more...anyhow, so thank you spydud22, for causing me to finally do this. :-)
Footnotes
  • [a] nyan.space/chain/Nyancoin ; as of block 1091430, 263738786.71890615 NYAN outstanding. This is slightly over 50% more than the last report, which is what we would expect, since it had existed for about a year then, and has approximately annual halvings. The first year generated about 50% of total supply; the second year generated about 25% of total supply. We should expect in a year to have about 17% (one-sixth) more than we have now.
  • [b] https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange?market=NYAN_BTC ; this is the only market reflected in coinmarketcap and it is the primary one on which I trade. Cryptopia also has other base pairs which operate at significantly higher spreads (lower bids; higher asks) and have minimal volume. In the time since the last report, NYAN has traded as high as 60 satoshi (and briefly a little higher at times), but over the last almost twelve months since a peak about a year ago, the price has been generally declining overall, as a gross oversimplification of a lot of movements. This has been an effect of me not being able to keep buying as much and there being large dumps I wasn't expecting from time-to-time. Now I'm taking the approach of building large (one or more nillion (million NYAN)) bids on each price as I slowly work my way back up again in order to be able to handle possible dumps with less price shock.
  • [c] coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nyancoin/ ; as noted in [b], this only reflects the /BTC basepair on Cryptopia but that's where most of the volume is anyhow. Of course, the market is also not particularly liquid since I'm the primary buyer and have rather limited means currently.
  • [d] I haven't setup a script to count this yet, among many things on my to-do list for someday, so I went through by hand from what was the then-latest block of 1091430 on nyan.space back to 1089766 which was the first block generated less than 24 hours before. There was actually a three and a half hour block gap at that point, such that the next prior block was about 24 hours and 15 minutes before 1091430 while 1089766 was only about 20 hours and 45 minutes prior, and has a disproportionate number of transactions and value compared to a typical block (8 and ~313,000 NYAN respectively) from the build-up during the gap. But since that gap conveniently started right about at the start of the 24 hour period, doesn't really skew our results here.
Note that there are often times where the UTXO created during one transaction during the day is spent during a later transaction in the day. This can be considered the "same" Nyancoin being "spent" twice in the same day in our total. But in practice, I believe what's happening here is the faucet is breaking off small (10-50 NYAN) pieces from a larger (~40,000 NYAN) chunk, and so that pops up a bunch of times. So the total NYAN blockchain volume as counted for this topline number should not be interpreted as "NYAN spent in the day" but "NYAN moved on the chain", where the "same coin" can move many times. So it's a very easily gamed metric and not a strong / resistant metric like the market price tends to be (at least relatively speaking), but it's a fun number to calculate and provides a little bit of information.
The transaction count can also be easily inflated and certainly, for instance, having the faucet does generate transactions which are a very common transaction.
And this is also just an arbitrary 24 hour period compared to a previous arbitrary 24 hour period. Nonetheless, I do think there's clearly a bit more activity on the Nyanchain, even though the typical block is still empty and the number of transactions and volume is still tiny compared to the major cryptocurrencies.
Here's an arbitrary example of the faucet transactions Note the zero transaction fee, which I love that the miners support (the defaults are all quite low as well).
Here's an example of what may be the smallest transaction by NYAN volume of the day; but no, I followed its small, spent output, and it led to this gem which also links to this. I have no idea what's going on here, but it's hilarious and I love it. How's that for microtransaction support? :-)
  • [e] Obviously Cryptsy went down. We had had more than enough red flags with Cryptsy (including one time where I was able to withdraw 6 nillion more than I had in my balance) and got onto Cryptopia. spydud22 basically accomplished that for us, although I helped out in the tail end of the campaigning.
  • [f] Our community is still small (I wish there were literally dozens of us!) but we've had valuable activity from multiple people, including, just as highlights, vmp32k who hosts nyan.space, a clone of the original nyancha.in, jwflame who created the excellent nyancoin.info intro site, with the awesome status page (which currently notes that "the last 500 blocks actually took 111 minutes, which is approaching the speed of light, causing the universe to become unstable"), KojoSlayer who runs the faucet and dice, spydud22 who got us on Cryptopia, and many other Nekonauts have made worthy contributions, and the Nekonauts mentioned have done more than just that listed. So while we are small, we are active at least from time to time and technically capable.
Even though our posting rate is still around 1 post a day or so on average, and so still a relatively quiet subreddit (and it is our main (only?) hub), it's still a very noticeable and significant difference from how /nyancoins looked when I was reviewing it for the original piece here. Here's an attempt to approximate what was there using Reddit search ; archive.org has a snapshot on January 19th, 2015, which is well into the early revival mania and one from August 14th, 2014, before four and a half months of little to no activity. Apparently archive.org unsubscribed to /nyancoins in that interval itself...
  • [g] Maybe up to around 35% by now; maybe still around 30%. I haven't updated hodling report lately; it was 30% last time I recall, but I've bought more and more has been made since.
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Removed comments from Economics subreddits - 07/24/18

👆lol
Comment removed from /badeconomics - lowskilled_immigrant - Created on 07/24/18 00:00:42 UTC - permalink
Serves you cunts right. Vote in shit, get your shit on your face.
Comment removed from /Economics - speciesunworthy - Created on 07/24/18 00:22:06 UTC - permalink
Nope just a patriot pissed off at economic attacks on my country. I'm actively boycotting US products and travel where feasible. They voted for this so FUCK THEM.
Comment removed from /Economics - speciesunworthy - Created on 07/24/18 00:27:56 UTC - permalink
Same here even switched to locally made vodka and beer. Remember, they hate us cuz they ain’t us. Hopefully the next one in office undoes all the shit this one has done
Comment removed from /Economics - lord-derricicus - Created on 07/24/18 01:36:14 UTC - permalink
The reason why fiat has failed is largely due to the global elite purchasing bitcoin. Effectively moving the supply curve right and decreasing demand for paper currency.
Comment removed from /badeconomics - Augustus_Trollus_III - Created on 07/24/18 01:52:26 UTC - permalink
I honestly couldn’t care less about the plight of some soybean farmers.
Comment removed from /Economics - FloatyFish - Created on 07/24/18 02:14:40 UTC - permalink
You're an idiot, good luck
Comment removed from /Economics - europeanconsumer - Created on 07/24/18 03:08:42 UTC - permalink
Says the dude who posts in t_d
Comment removed from /Economics - Spy_v_Spy_Freakshow - Created on 07/24/18 03:12:20 UTC - permalink
Yeah, and guess what, they aren't going to just give it back either!
Comment removed from /Economics - CarbonLifeForm69 - Created on 07/24/18 03:31:10 UTC - permalink
Geeze, you sound exactly like a Trump voter, dude. Take it easy.
Comment removed from /Economics - tktk77 - Created on 07/24/18 03:52:15 UTC - permalink
That’s a pretty shortsighted approach to take
Comment removed from /Economics - 255979119 - Created on 07/24/18 04:40:38 UTC - permalink
So essentially.... capitalism vs communism?
Comment removed from /AskEconomics - waynerooney501 - Created on 07/24/18 04:59:50 UTC - permalink
Price theory only applies to firms when they face decreasing returns to scale, hence it really doesn't describe many parts of the real economy.
Comment removed from /AskEconomics - themountaingoat - Created on 07/24/18 05:04:09 UTC - permalink
Yeh fuck farmers! Who needs food anyways. Fuckin jabroni
Comment removed from /Economics - czechweasel - Created on 07/24/18 05:20:34 UTC - permalink
You get what you voted for.
Comment removed from /Economics - Muny30 - Created on 07/24/18 05:36:58 UTC - permalink
Yup serves these hillbillies right.
Comment removed from /Economics - littlecro - Created on 07/24/18 08:08:23 UTC - permalink
At least some poor underage pregnant girls won't be getting abortions...
Comment removed from /Economics - cd411 - Created on 07/24/18 11:44:30 UTC - permalink
Trump voters getting exactly what they voted for.
Comment removed from /Economics - drobinsondn - Created on 07/24/18 12:09:49 UTC - permalink
So, because they’re farmers they’re all Trump-supporting hillbillies?
Comment removed from /Economics - maosaysmiao - Created on 07/24/18 12:17:17 UTC - permalink
I don’t eat soy, therefore I’m not impacted 😀
Comment removed from /Economics - FloatyFish - Created on 07/24/18 12:24:26 UTC - permalink
They voted for Trump which means they’re responsible for this. I’m tired of hearing them bitch about their plight when it’s self inflicted.
Comment removed from /Economics - FloatyFish - Created on 07/24/18 12:29:07 UTC - permalink
I know, it’s not fair. But since we are all suffering because of what is going on and people’s kids are sitting around in cages, I’m not gonna feel that bad if the South suffers with us. They can bear the burden of their shit decisions.
Comment removed from /Economics - littlecro - Created on 07/24/18 13:06:14 UTC - permalink
Maybe I haven't read enough articles, but I'd like to see more and more of these people being adversely affected by the tariffs start to call Trump by name or to express regret in voting for him.
Comment removed from /Economics - MasterClown - Created on 07/24/18 13:31:25 UTC - permalink
That's why the Republicans will make sure the US famers don't even notice.
They're bring back a depression-era program to subsidize the farmers hurt during the trade war. This should hold over the rural republican voters until the midterm or even the presidential election. They'll just use tax dollars to pay for farmers being hurt by the trade war as long as they keep voting republican.
Comment removed from /Economics - It-Wanted-A-Username - Created on 07/24/18 13:45:36 UTC - permalink
Hey, I'm a 30 year old American!
Oh...
Comment removed from /Economics - pwlocke13 - Created on 07/24/18 13:53:06 UTC - permalink
So their answer is to steal it and redistribute
Comment removed from /Economics - AFreedomLover - Created on 07/24/18 14:11:15 UTC - permalink
Got any better ideas?
Comment removed from /Economics - joehillen - Created on 07/24/18 14:22:47 UTC - permalink
Innovation, hard work, not being a victim, stop the pity party. Stop blaming everyone else.
Comment removed from /Economics - AFreedomLover - Created on 07/24/18 14:25:30 UTC - permalink
Taxes aren’t stealing.
Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 14:38:44 UTC - permalink
Cool story
Comment removed from /Economics - shades344 - Created on 07/24/18 14:44:05 UTC - permalink
You are arguing semantics.
If I demand your money (for prection, of course), and that is backed by the threat of violence, that's stealing.
You don't want to call taxes stealing, because the entity doing the stealing also writes the law that defines what is legally theft.
(Note: I think taxes for thepublic good and the threat of punishment for failure to pay are both necessary... But let's not try and pretend it's not stealing.)
Comment removed from /Economics - persolb - Created on 07/24/18 14:46:13 UTC - permalink
That’s so silly. You get a return on your investment in the government. Some people get a shittier return than others, sure. But everyone benefits from the programs that taxes provide.
Calling it stealing is silly.
Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 14:48:43 UTC - permalink
I also get a return on my investment when I pay a protection racket... And every that pays gets the benefit
Comment removed from /Economics - persolb - Created on 07/24/18 14:52:49 UTC - permalink
It’s so ridiculous to call taxes stealing. We elect officials to represent us, they enact taxation laws, which represent our interests. What are we stealing from ourselves? Silly...
Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 14:56:10 UTC - permalink
You have a very optimistic view on government.
51% of the population votes in people to then take away everything some other subset of the population has. This isn't stealing?
(Note: this has happened in multiple counties, and this article is talking about a WAY waterered down version of this)
Comment removed from /Economics - persolb - Created on 07/24/18 14:59:30 UTC - permalink
Everything? That’s a bit hyperbolic wouldn’t you say?
If people don’t participate in voting is that somehow the other people’s fault?
I understand government is inefficient, I don’t like the way all of it is spent for sure. But that doesn’t make taxes stealing.
Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 15:01:04 UTC - permalink
Jesus Christ.
Comment removed from /Economics - internal69audit - Created on 07/24/18 15:01:42 UTC - permalink
You missed my point. If 51% want to take your shit, they can legally do it. Your vote doesn't help at all.
Would you see this different than theft?
Comment removed from /Economics - persolb - Created on 07/24/18 15:04:15 UTC - permalink
Ahh I see what you mean. I see you’ve turned a representative democracy into “stealing other people’s shit”
“Shit” costs money. Government provides services. If you don’t want to live in a state that provides government services there are a few available to move to.
Isn’t that a lot of the right-wing’s arguments? Don’t like how things are done: move.
There are checks and balances for a reason. Nobody’s coming for more than your fair share. You may disagree on what your fair share is, so I suggest voting. It’s never going to be 0, and above 0 isn’t stealing.
Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 15:07:35 UTC - permalink
This fucking administration...
Comment removed from /Economics - telltaleharte - Created on 07/24/18 15:10:12 UTC - permalink
The GOP can't afford to lose that voting bloc; naturally they'll get a bailout.
Costing the taxpayers twice!
Comment removed from /Economics - dispatch00 - Created on 07/24/18 15:13:38 UTC - permalink
You can't steal what is rightfully yours.
Comment removed from /Economics - MCVIXI - Created on 07/24/18 15:14:34 UTC - permalink
How come nobody and where is the money coming from to fix Trump's screw ups, but try to pay for poor children's lunch all of a sudden Republicans are all up in arms about fiscal responsibility
Comment removed from /Economics - jyz002 - Created on 07/24/18 15:16:12 UTC - permalink
☝️let me tell you folks 👐we are going to have the biggest most beautiful deficit 👈you know it, I know it. It’ll be 👌yuuuuge👌
Comment removed from /Economics - myweed1esbigger - Created on 07/24/18 15:18:51 UTC - permalink
Hey! Isn't this the that had access to personal computers their entire lives? Fucking shits can't even 1v1 not online 😶😶😶🤣
Comment removed from /Economics - graynymph7459 - Created on 07/24/18 15:20:17 UTC - permalink
This fucking entire country.....
Comment removed from /Economics - OptimalDouche - Created on 07/24/18 15:20:38 UTC - permalink
Investments are voluntary.
Comment removed from /Economics - AFreedomLover - Created on 07/24/18 15:20:55 UTC - permalink
Just bout some Maine lobster for under $5 per pound thanks to Chinese tariffs.
Nice work Trump! I love lobster and don't want those Chinese eating all mine.
Comment removed from /Economics - HuskyPupper - Created on 07/24/18 15:24:12 UTC - permalink
You haven’t been paying attention, have you?
Comment removed from /Economics - internal69audit - Created on 07/24/18 15:27:14 UTC - permalink
You’re Free to leave the United States of America at anytime you like
Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 15:27:31 UTC - permalink
Where!!??!!
Comment removed from /Economics - captainroyal - Created on 07/24/18 15:29:19 UTC - permalink
It is almost as if he routinely and effortlessly lies.
Comment removed from /Economics - ChocolateSunrise - Created on 07/24/18 15:29:23 UTC - permalink
Shouldn't we have the revenue from the tariffs to use for things like this?
Comment removed from /Economics - PigSlam - Created on 07/24/18 15:33:19 UTC - permalink
and how that is simply not what was intended by founding fathers/constitution. Tyranny of the minority is worse than tyranny of the majority...
Cue routine response that the nation was supposed to be a union of coequal, sovereign states, not a republic where we collectively choose our leaders. So in that model a rural state with 1% of the population of CA would be equal in power to CA. There is no way rural states are going to willingly give up the disproportionate power they have. They're going to take any effort to have their votes count the same as other citizens as them being disenfranchised.
Comment removed from /Economics - mhornberger - Created on 07/24/18 15:33:55 UTC - permalink
🤦‍♂️ k. That was dumb.
Comment removed from /Economics - AFreedomLover - Created on 07/24/18 15:36:31 UTC - permalink
Lol, sounds pretty voluntary to me.
Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 15:36:56 UTC - permalink
I just expect every "decision" he makes to have a purely political reason, he's not working for any Americans other than the ones who like him.
Comment removed from /Economics - Lukewarm_beans - Created on 07/24/18 15:37:06 UTC - permalink
Maine lobster has been cheap for years because of a glut caused by ocean warming which drove the lobster population north, right into the Maine coast. Science!
Comment removed from /Economics - NemWan - Created on 07/24/18 15:37:31 UTC - permalink
Get that logic outta here!
Comment removed from /Economics - dispatch00 - Created on 07/24/18 15:38:17 UTC - permalink
So today we’re pro socialism and welfare?
Comment removed from /Economics - HighOnGoofballs - Created on 07/24/18 15:38:17 UTC - permalink
Hey man, us American are sorry. Please don't be too spiteful, we don't like the guy either!
Comment removed from /Economics - Rugged_Refined - Created on 07/24/18 15:39:14 UTC - permalink
Hyperbole aside the Legislative system is designed to specifically give disproportionate power to states with smaller populations. Tyranny of the majority is a real concern when we think about political balance of power.
Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 15:40:08 UTC - permalink
Market basket.
Can finally get some big ones too. Got a 2.5 lb lobster. Haven't been able to find those let alone buy them for some time now.
Comment removed from /Economics - HuskyPupper - Created on 07/24/18 15:42:12 UTC - permalink
While 5 dollar lobster sounds great and all, it's not really related to the topic.
Also proof, or it didn't happen..
Comment removed from /Economics - Rugged_Refined - Created on 07/24/18 15:42:29 UTC - permalink
Damn, only exist in the New England area. We only have $6, 4oz Florida lobster tails here at Kroger in the south east.
Comment removed from /Economics - captainroyal - Created on 07/24/18 15:44:00 UTC - permalink
https://www.shopmarketbasket.com/weekly-flyer?department=30
Comment removed from /Economics - HuskyPupper - Created on 07/24/18 15:45:55 UTC - permalink
Other industries aren't his core voters. It wouldn't make as much sense for Trump to give them free money.
Comment removed from /Economics - Katholikos - Created on 07/24/18 15:46:53 UTC - permalink
You know what's worse than tyranny of the majority? Tyranny of the minority.
Comment removed from /Economics - minno - Created on 07/24/18 15:49:43 UTC - permalink
We know
Comment removed from /Economics - Deofol7 - Created on 07/24/18 15:50:34 UTC - permalink
1: Promise farmers and coal miners that you are their president and will fight for them.
2: Start a trade war that directly damages the farmers and coal miners
3: Use tax dollars to subsidize your inability to make any meaningful policy to fulfill your promise to the farmers and coal miners.
4: Get millions of votes from farmers and coal miners.
This is the world we live in.
Comment removed from /Economics - palindrome_is_not - Created on 07/24/18 15:51:51 UTC - permalink
Sure, but the current issue has more to do with the parts the Constitution left unaddressed rather than vice versa. Also, a tyranny of the minority can be overcome or contained, tyranny of the majority is rather absolute.
Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 15:53:13 UTC - permalink
I'm 35. My father was a laborer and I'm an engineer. When adjusting for inflation and factoring in his overtime vs me being salaried, he made the same amount of money 30 years ago that I do today.
Comment removed from /Economics - Red_bearrr - Created on 07/24/18 15:55:17 UTC - permalink
Hi 35, I'm dad!
Comment removed from /Economics - dadjokes_bot - Created on 07/24/18 15:55:18 UTC - permalink
nd how that is simply not what was intended by founding fathers/constitution.
What? That was the exact intention of the founding fathers, that even little states the rest of the country considers backwater would be able to have a say: that's literally the point of the electoral college.
Comment removed from /Economics - KinterVonHurin - Created on 07/24/18 15:55:45 UTC - permalink
Because they are full of shit.
Comment removed from /Economics - Tullay - Created on 07/24/18 15:57:20 UTC - permalink
It's not only that though, the Senate cuts down on the power of Gerrymandering. You can't cut up a state so that it's Senate representation is wildly unlike it's demographic. However the problem with that is then you get crazy things like North Dakota having the same representation as California in the Senate.
I think the real problem is the fact that Democracy is too much work for most people who live in the modern world. "Government of the People" requires The People to do the actual work of governing, and in our case they have totally abandoned their duties.
Comment removed from /Economics - changee_of_ways - Created on 07/24/18 16:00:16 UTC - permalink
I have a garden in my backyard, where do I sign up for hand outs?
Comment removed from /Economics - fogcity89 - Created on 07/24/18 16:00:48 UTC - permalink
You are equating having your vote count the same as mine as living under a tyranny. There is no system where rural states don't have disproportionate power that wouldn't count as a tyranny to them. Rural states aren't worried about balance of power, rather they're worried about preserving their disproportionate power.
"Balance" for them is not between the citizens of our country (that they count as 'tyranny') but between states, as if they are sovereign and independent coequal entities. A model under which a state with 1% the population of CA would still have equal sway over the laws of the nation. You didn't rebut anything I said, merely reiterate it.
Comment removed from /Economics - mhornberger - Created on 07/24/18 16:01:45 UTC - permalink
> You are equating having your vote count the same as mine as living under a tyranny. There is no system where rural states don't have disproportionate power that wouldn't count as a tyranny to them. Rural states aren't worried about balance of power, rather they're worried about preserving their disproportionate power.
Rural states have disproportionate power by design. Which is a good thing. For a long time this country was under the tyranny of the majority, so the concern over minority power is very real. The issue here isn't that minority groups shouldn't be have disproportionate political power, but rather that the majority cannot effectively wield theirs. This is due to technology and lack of campaign finance regulations, not because rural states have too much power.
> "Balance" for them is not between the citizens of our country (that they count as 'tyranny') but between states, as if they are sovereign and independent coequal entities. A model under which a state with 1% the population of CA would still have equal sway over the laws of the nation. You didn't rebut anything I said, merely reiterate it.
I did rebut what you said, you're insinuating that rural states having disproportionate power is a bad thing. It's not, they should fight to keep the current design of the government. That's necessary to prevent large and powerful states from unilaterally dictating the course of the country. That's something that's been in place by design since the inception of this country. You're attributing the current political climate to the wrong cause.
Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 16:10:03 UTC - permalink
How old are you?
Comment removed from /Economics - dronepore - Created on 07/24/18 16:10:50 UTC - permalink
Except the minority has already fought and had the original system changed to preserve their power.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/31/u-s-population-keeps-growing-but-house-of-representatives-is-same-size-as-in-taft-era/
Comment removed from /Economics - squashinmonks - Created on 07/24/18 16:21:07 UTC - permalink
The most significant example of the tyranny of the minority is slavery, which took over two centuries to dismantle and still affects us to this day.
The article you linked has less to do with what we are currently discussing and more to do with the concentration of power in the hands of a smaller powerful group of people. That issue applies to all states equally, be they rural or the Californias and Texases of the Union.
Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 16:26:31 UTC - permalink
I think the key here is that the constitution was written with the 13 colonies in mind. I don't think the founding fathers had any idea that we would end up with 50 states spanning both oceans, so I think we have a far greater disparity than they ever imagined we would.
Comment removed from /Economics - Wingzero - Created on 07/24/18 16:26:49 UTC - permalink
This is so the farmers that voted for Trump’s get tough policy get bailed out of their decision with your tax money.
Because FU.
Comment removed from /Economics - RestrictedAccount - Created on 07/24/18 16:27:33 UTC - permalink
Can't wait for Republicans to scream about Democrats "buying votes" in the 2018 Mid-terms.
Comment removed from /Economics - HTownian25 - Created on 07/24/18 16:32:26 UTC - permalink
I'm much less concerned with what the Founding Fathers than with whether something is practical or not. The Founding Fathers designed an excellent system for their time and the philosophy guiding their design was very forward thinking. I don't think that rural states are in the wrong for trying to push their interests nor do I think that the manner in which they do so is insidious. The same tools after all, are available to all states. I think the far bigger issues are the things that the Founders didn't address. I don't think they realized just how much special interests could affect politics. The political class was fairly small at the time and the political system of the first four Presidents pales in complexity when compared to the late 20th and 21st century.
I think that there are far too few rules concerning how we elect our leaders and far too few rules concerning money in politics.
Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 16:33:31 UTC - permalink
Haha and the Trump 2nd term presidency is secured
Comment removed from /Economics - papeold - Created on 07/24/18 16:34:19 UTC - permalink
No, that was the point of the Senate.
The impact slavery had on the electoral college is undeniable -- the south would not accept one-person, one-vote (and obviously wouldn't let blacks vote), and hence the vile 3/5ths compromise and the need for a system other than popular vote for the presidency.
And likewise gerrymandering of the House has become a perversion. Layering the impact on the judicial branch by virtue of the appointment process, and we have minority of population being able to control all the branches of government... that is not what was intended.
Pick up the July 14 edition of the Economist if you can -- link to most the relevant article below if have subscription or otherwise able to access.
https://www.economist.com/briefing/2018/07/12/americas-electoral-system-gives-the-republicans-advantages-over-democrats
Comment removed from /Economics - ChornWork2 - Created on 07/24/18 16:36:09 UTC - permalink
Right. “Balance” to them is that 10 square miles of mostly trees, vegetation, and crops should have more say than 10 square miles where a few million actual people reside.
Comment removed from /Economics - harbison215 - Created on 07/24/18 16:36:25 UTC - permalink
Honestly, it’s because Democrats have a hard time describing their position.
If they pick up the argument that we can’t pay for these things, Republicans will agree and ask to slash government spending across the board. That hurts Democrats politically (weakening public sector union workforce) and electorally (constituents everywhere have services reduced). This is a downward cycle as the country begins to lose faith in government and the idea that “government is the problem” spreads leading to more cuts in the future.
Democrats need to get aggressive and actually play the game by “holding possession.” This means sayin we’d be happy to provide subsidies for hurting farmers, but first you have to pay for X. That could be healthcare, education, infrastructure, or whatever.
Comment removed from /Economics - TonyzTone - Created on 07/24/18 16:36:52 UTC - permalink
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How To Make Profit When Crypto Currencies Are In Red

Earning money from Bitcoin has taken various forms since the world’s top digital currency became more popular. Some of them are new while others have been known to spread in reach along with the currency. Below are some of the best ways to earn money with bitcoin.
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Earn money from trading bitcoins Aside the fear of exchanges being attacked by hackers and funds stolen as it was the case with Bitfinex and others, one can earn bitcoins by trading in it as well as with other digital currencies. Basic speculation would do – buy when it is lower, wait until the price increases then sell it at a higher rate to generate profit. Repeat the process over and over again. Understanding market trends and price patterns are key in this regard. Trading in bitcoin could also be through arbitrage – buy it cheap here and sell it at a higher rate there.
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The cure for low prices? Lower prices. Now's a great time for us to develop a healthy relationship w/ the price of our coin. Consider a couple things happening now..

The Bitcoin community, as well as some parts of the wise Doge nation, have fallen prey to price watching. Especially within Bitcoin, price watching has become a part of the culture. Bad habit. Once you're in a crypto, you're in. You got into the club, no need to talk yourself up now. No need to look for the exits because you just got here 5 minutes ago, and the well drinks are still on the house.
Oh no, we're down 15%. Oh yes, we're up 15%. It's like the Zen parable about the farmer... His son finds a new pony one day, "oh you are so lucky!" all the villagers tell him. "We'll see," the farmer tells them. Some months later, the son falls off the pony, fracturing his leg. "Oh you are so unlucky, you should have never allowed him that pony!" the villagers all tell the father. "We'll see," the farmer tells them. Some months later, war breaks out in the province, and the emperor drafts all able bodied men to fight on the front lines. "Oh you are so lucky, your son is safe!" the villagers tell the farmer..... "We'll see," he says. You get the idea.
We don't know what the future will bring to us.
What we do know is that crypto currency is the future of money. Driving up to your local bank branch is now akin to a drive in movie theater, or driving to Hollywood Video or Blockbuster, or using a payphone. In the near future, it will be an unknown activity.
And within crypto currency, what we do know is that ASICs have utterly dominated Bitcoin. CPU and GPU mining is no longer competitive in Bitcoin. With the KnC announcement, that same tidal shift is coming to Litecoin, is already there in fact. Vertcoin is the natural heir to the crypto throne, and like most rightful heirs, it doesn't feel the need to justify its existence every moment of the day.
Don't price watch. Isn't today Merchant Monday? Let's find a merchant and get on their ass to accept Vertcoin.
You're in the Vertcoin community now. What you paid to get in, well that's your business. But I can assure you, this is a community you will be very glad to be a part of in 3 months time, when many other alt coins are dying by the side of the road and Vertcoin mobile is trucking along, it's future mathematically certain.
Vertcoin is the simplest solution to a complex problem: the mining ecosystem doesn't really resemble the one that Nakamoto envisioned, and built his contraption around. This is a small, but crucial, refinement of Litecoin - which was itself a small, but crucial refinement of Bitcoin.
Some Vertcoin clones add in extra layers, hoping to attract investors. When the problem is fixed, you don't need extra layers, and those extra layers actually present dangers we can't fully perceive today, because mechanical failure is hard to predict in advance (we only know the likelihood of failure increases as we increase the number of parts involved).
The Apollo 1 spacecraft during a routine test resulted in all crew members dying. They couldn't get out of the capsule in time, because the spacecraft door was complex, and took more than 90 seconds to open. After that tragedy, NASA made their doors easier to evacuate from. And they stopped using high-% oxygen air mixtures in human cabins.
I am increasingly certain Bitcoin is Apollo 1, from its price watching and troll ridden community to its shaky regulatory approach and PR problems. Vertcoin can see those disasters for what they are, learn from them, and not make the same mistake.
Our algorithm is superior, our community is superior, the devs are the cream of the crypto crop, and there aren't many bag holders since the coin was distributed pretty fairly amongst miners and investors and continues to be so.. one of the many benefits of being with a coin that exercised the discipline of not pre-mining at all.
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Transcript of George Webb Video Series Part 220 "Hillary's Leakers, Hackers, and Henchmen" [@Georgwebb / #HRCRatlne]

  • Day 45.2 Follow Lisa Page, Paul Manafort, and the EB5 Visas - YouTube
    • This is gonna go over comments
    • Again, day 45 part two and these are the comments I talked a lot about McCabe and moving to Chappaqua...
    • And all the power and crews and digging and pedestals and vaults and all the things that change up there
    • I thought geez it just looks like they're moving money out of Indonesia and Malaysia and European banks and offshore banks and and mining all the Bitcoin for Hillary to get--resources for the future
    • Hillary two ready for the getter treasure trove organized in Chappaqua for the big drive to the presidency
    • And it's amazing how when something just fits
    • How a lot of data comes together <<> from the DNC two Chappaqua
    • {{ 135 Castle Road. 15 Old House Lane shown on map unknown owner unknown city unknown state not a dox }}
    • The reason why I believe it moves from DNC to Chappaqua is the to operations are done
    • First operation is looting DCCC
    • The second operation is looting DNC, while there's still other candidates getting money then when you're done and you eliminate Bernie, then you you don't need to do that anymore, and you move the operations to Chappaqua
    • Again, you don't want your hackers being arrested
    • When they're exposed at DNC
    • When they're exposed at DCCC., they're there's an ability to get arrested
    • So it's the same reason why I think for the OIG hack of DHS
    • You come in with a team--I'm not saying Lisa Grafenstine, but somebody like that
    • You come in with a team, you say here's your vulnerability risk, we're gonna look and do all this vulnerability testing, we're gonna get it or download all these files
    • Now oops, I stole the Inspector General's laptop
    • Again, took it over to Hawkshead--and
    • Again, asking Andre Taggart, when the up I would remember when somebody came over to my house with an FBI raid
    • Ask Andre Taggart what day the FBI raid and the NCIS people came over, the Capitol police came over and got that
    • The OIG laptop
    • And I believe it's gonna be, I believe they stole an Inspector General's laptop
    • I'm not saying Lisa Grafenstine, but remember there was four laptops, and 20 Blackberries with government markings, and there was the toner
    • So I'm gonna say right now, I believe that was the DHS's OIG's laptop
    • So again, the Capitol police report would tell us, and there would be no reason to repress that if that wasn't true, correct?
    • So anyway I want to go through this and operations move DCCC DNC then Chappaqua
    • And I wanted to say that a--how does somebody live in New York and then their wife is running for Virginia?
    • I'm saying that McCabe is buying this house for the Awans to live at
    • I'm not saying Andrew McCabe is moving up there
    • I'm saying he's setting up this command center in it and if everything looks like a command center in Chappaqua
    • He's setting it up for the Awans to move up there
    • Now I'm not saying a Seth Rich doesn't come up there or--a satellite person like--Hina Alvi doesn't come up there as well
    • But I think--all these your satellite person
    • But the hacking team is gonna follow Imran okay
    • So anyway DCCC DNC those two operations are done, then you move everything to Chappaqua
    • Just based on metadata
    • And then--you only need to be up there a day or a weekend to buy the house and then you're back with your wife
    • So I think that's what happened
    • There's a lot of action right now inside
    • Now I made a mistake yesterday it wasn't Kislyak that died
    • It was chicken Churkin that died
    • So there's been like nine Russian ambassador's die
    • So he died right about a month later and I could conflated the two
    • So there was a correction there
    • Just to make sure you got that right
    • But I love Corrections
    • Because then people remember corrections better than they do if you said I was right
    • People hate to hear people say I was right
    • People love to hear people say I was wrong {{ 911: those are called trolls or h8rs }}
    • And I've corrected you and I love it
    • So so keep correcting me because it only reinforces a chicken died right after that
    • So it makes me think Chuck it's the guy that they did the deal with read Kissel yakked--it's just one thing after another
    • Now this is an interesting one I did last night with Lisa Page
    • Again, we're down to the people actually making the move
    • So once you get the actors then you can just follow their schedule around and just query their schedule and ask for discovery on their schedule and then ask him a questions around their schedule and Lisa Page as ubiquitous with this Stroeve Peter Strzok and she had this criminal offense over in Ohio and I said ,"hey, that really makes me think about Strongsville
    • Because I was in Strongsville that's where one of the Saipov trucking companies was that was where this creepy school was that was I thought ,"hey, there's this weird European center there that got raided by the FBI
    • So for ten years we have a color-of-law operation where we're bringing people into this Strongsville adoption agency
    • And if you read down a little bit farther, it's got all these kids from all these different countries from this running it for the State Department
    • Now that wouldn't be particularly significant (I'll read a little bit farther into this)
    • That that wouldn't be particularly significant if it wasn't for the fact the State Department says these European adoption consultants EAC European adoption consultants were from Bulgaria blah blah blah all these different countries, and then Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine
    • Now I realize it's the last one, but this is the one that's the funnel for the Russian kids
    • What they're doing is they're given Russian kids and Russian families Ukrainian visas
    • So this was the Paul Manafort connection
    • And then and they're coming in and bringing them in through this Strongsville, Ohio
    • And it's out of the way we're nowhere else is this is where one of the Saipov trucking companies is
    • Why do I think the EB-5s are related to this, well a Saipov got 23 EB-5s
    • Saipov has a trucking company here in this in Strongsville
    • So that's why I think that--no other reason
    • Plus here where Stevie-Steve gets his hair cut, I went out there to where Stevie Steve this mass murderer who I thought was involved in killing the trucking folks down in Ohio, down this way a little bit
    • And he's right there he's right at right at this nexus right along with everybody else
    • He's also the guy at the Cleveland Clinic--when these visitors are coming in from UAE and Dubai in and Abu Dhabi
    • He's the one running between the children's center and--you know mentally handicapped kids are dying in their sleep, and then there's these successful heart operations the next day {{ 911: gross }}
    • So it's kind of like Stevie Steve and I went to his barbershop and I went to all these different barber shops and where the people were killed
    • And he just seems to be in the middle of it
    • Everything seems to rotate around Strongsville
    • Now the fact that Peter Strzok'a his dad has this kind of correspondent relationship with all these mullahs in nine different countries in the Arab countries leads me to believe that's the sales network--
    • I just--I know that's a--wild speculation but I just connected all the way from, "hey, all these different countries are the customers and all these Ukrainian kids are--being shopped out and they're meeting them here--somewhere out here at this creepy place"
    • They're meeting and say, 'yeah I want that one,' and then they're getting on the plane and then flying home--from from Cleveland International Airport
    • I'm not I'm not sure, but it's it just that you metadata screams that
    • Why is Lisa Page in a company with Paul Manafort
    • Why is she a partner in a company with Paul Manafort?
    • Why? Why would that be?
    • Now is that a nine or ten years sting I guess
    • So I guess it's a nine or ten years sting?
    • So anyway good comments sorry about the mistake about Churkin
    • The Lisa Page connection here some people said Lisa Page is a Mossad agent whatever
    • {{ 911: I think therefore I am Mossad }}
    • The Lisa Page connection here to to Paul Manafort is a very strong one
    • And I believe they're EB-5s
    • If like I said if Saipov didn't have a trucking company here
    • And it was Bright auto or something like that
    • And I had a car company I wouldn't say anything
    • He has another one in Cincinnati, which leads me to believe there's gonna be another funnel near Cincinnati
  • Day 45.3 Does Fusion GPS Have a Modus Operandi? - YouTube
    • It's Day 45 and this is part three and
    • Now our Mr. Akhmetshin's gonna come back into the story
    • Akhmetshin this is an ak-47 meeting your shin you remember back on days 260 something like that I was in Washington DC, talking about it Akhmetshin
    • I think it was in even before talking about the peepee dossier even before I had kind of brought Fusion GPS from kind of out behind it
    • So these are these cases right
    • Now what do we know about Akhmetshin?
    • Well he was the guy who went to the Trump Tower meeting I believe
    • Now Andrew McCabe is gonna be meeting with Glenn Simpson a Fusion GPS and a Akhmetshin and Veselnitskaya
    • They're gonna be planning this sneak attack on Donald Trump Jr.
    • They're gonna--they're gonna send them in
    • They're gonna send Veselnitskaya in say by this by this dossier, buy this dossiers, shop this dossier, much like Peter stroke shops the dossier in Congress in December of 2016 to try to do the anti-Trump thing right
    • So they're gonna shop this dossier Dom Trump jr. says yeah maybe--kind of and then somebody behind him says that's crazy
    • We're not gonna do that I think that's Jared Kushner
    • But somebody turns it down says this is crazy maybe it's a lawyer or something and it's not worth anything it throws it out
    • So there's no collusion and it's over with
    • So Akhmetshin's your setup guy
    • So what is he doing in these cases?
    • Well he's filing is what they call an "interested party",
    • And this is basically I'm gonna side with one of the two guys in the party here
    • So in this case there's an oil and there's a mineral case here in Washington DC
    • And then he sides with this one of the parties of the two parties
    • Now are they targeting different people?
    • Are they just picking a professor out of somewhere in one of their schools that supports Hillary to attack some friend of Vlad in Moscow to try to unhook some deal in Moscow?
    • Is that really what they're doing? Who knows
    • But let's look at this New York case, where let's see Ahkmetshin files, again, as an intervener, and just see if that's what's going on
    • Let's see modus operandi--we see a pattern developing
    • This is eggy here...this is a plaintiff it looks like
    • We're gonna see down here it's it's a movant somebody clear
    • They're gonna kick in something in this case and then there's this Zalmayev
    • Well it turns out he is a professor at University of California
    • And it turns out this guy is actually living in Moscow, trying to do Moscow Business Development
    • Let's see if they are attacking them or not
    • Oh here's Ahkmetshin he's gonna add some information in here and then he's also going to countersue
    • Zalmayev is also going to countersue the guy that's that they're attacking
    • Let's see how this goes
    • So we go down here to the docket, we go to the first complaint here, and we go to this, and this is gonna be expensive and you see that already thirty seven dollars
    • And there are thirty three dollars to view this document
    • I think I might have last month was terrible for reading documents it's like a thousand bucks
    • But anyway here it is there's Aggie suing Zalmayev's here
    • What's he saying? Well malicious disnformation campaign
    • What does that sound like? Doesn't that sound like exactly what's happening to Trump right now?
    • Russian corporate raid? Hmm where have I heard that before?
    • International litigation prevented him from personal safety loss of life and liberty harm abandon his claim to a valuable investment
    • It played a key role in the campaign elaborate negative public relations campaign illegitimate efforts
    • Defamatory false injurious statements all this sort of thing false defamatory etc etc etc
    • Now as a journalist, you have to report the news, and I correct whenever I make a mistake
    • So there is a certain amount of responsibility that comes along with that
    • And I try to exercise that every day
    • But this is where you're planting stories where you're paying--where has already been
    • Now identified as paying journalists to plant stories that are false--that's something very different
    • That's a that's a sneak attack
    • That's not journalism
    • That's not absence of malice--
    • That's going in with a preconceived idea to smear somebody, in writing, in publications no less, well-known publications
    • {{ 911bs: Called malinformation. Misinformation's a mistake. Disinformation could be done in a protective way (US spreading disinfo about crop circles), malinformation always is to harm }}
    • So they look like they grab this state of California professor they say ,"hey, I got an idea let's let's bust up a deal in Moscow and here it is"
    • There's the Moscow hotel they're going to bust up deal
    • And then finally what happens after this case is after they go through six years of litigation it basically dies
    • And this is a very very long case you can see here it starts in 2011 about when Fusion GPS starts and goes all the way until last month, when you guys finally just--gives up over end and it's sealed
    • And they seal the seal the case
    • So but then there's all this stuff
    • {{ 911: that's called lawfare }}
    • Now the key question is are our two people are our two FBI people people Lisa Page and Peter Strzok involved in this case or not?
    • Do they ever get involved as Peter Strzok ever get involved in this case with Lisa Page?
    • That's the question of the day
    • I'll put some screenshots in here along the way to show how long I've been talking about Fusion GPS
    • How long I've been talking about Akhmetshin
    • That's where the case is coming to
    • My Fusion GPS case will cite these cases as just more and more examples where Fusion GPS--I believe--aided in the creation of dossiers through illegally-obtained material, potentially, with the Awans, to create dossiers against people
    • Much like the Michael Flynn case, to try to smear someone with information
  • Day 45.4. Collect, Dossier, Reprisals - Need to Come Clean, No Sound and Fury, Documents - YouTube
    • It's Day 45 this is version 4
    • And obviously I put out my amended complaint that they're going to be adding the partners of Peter Strzok and also Lisa Page
    • I also had to add Agent Pettijohn and Agent Whittaker of JTTF to my complaint
    • The strategy has been three levels, the collection level, which is the Awans, the Steele, Russians that he brought into the country
    • The second level is once you collect it all you then do a dossier:
    • You do analysis and figure out the best dirt you have on somebody--the best leverage you have
    • And then the third level is reprisal: you don't collect the information to not do anything with it
    • And that's the FBI level that's Andy McCabe through people like Strzok and Page as well as many many other people
    • There's also parallel FBI investigations at every level as well that have been kind of in the shadows, afraid to come forward, and have been kind of put kind of squelched by Andrew McCabe in JTTF
    • So it's a very small group of about sixty guys in internal to FBI, that just need to retire
    • Just find it find a nice farm and retire
    • Make a lot of money
    • And that will the sun-shining of documents documents documents is the answer
    • To have a dog and pony show up in Congress is all well and good
    • A couple of press releases saying that you're going to open an investigation is all well and good
    • But these are really just like curtains--putting new curtains on it on a collapsing building
    • What we really need is publication of documents
    • Publish the OIG hack
    • Publish the OPM hack data
    • Publish the IG report in Congress about the 5100 illegal logins
    • Publish the CDW report
    • Published these key documents from key investigations to show that you have good faith
    • Dog-and-pony shows are all well and good and everyone has--to fall on their sword a little bit publicly
    • But that's not really very substantive at all
    • And I'm not gonna just permit Bob Mueller to kind of act like judge and jury when he is a co-conspirator
    • He been a beneficiary as much of the graft as as Comey, McCabe and Rosenstein
    • It's not gonna happen
    • We can't have half well we'll split the Ocean's eleven team up here
    • You've you five guys go over there you be the jury and we five guys will go over here we'll be the judge
    • And then we'll pick one of us amongst us to beat up on
    • It doesn't work like that
    • Everyone should just retire now and move on
    • I'm gonna keep moving on the Uranium One case
    • I've obviously got a lot of new information they're publishing today
    • Keep moving on the reprisal level with Andrew McCabe got new stuff coming in Chappaqua
    • Got new stuff coming from the Mueller Team
    • And how the Mueller team was infiltrated with the Strozek infiltrators
    • So all these things are going to be discoverable
    • So sooner or later if the American people are not savvy enough to demand documents, they're going to get hoodwinked again, like we did in the Hillary investigation server and investigation and the Huma server
    • Lots of smoke all sound and fury signifying nothing
    • We need to move to documents publication of documents documents documents
  • Day 46.1 Need To Eye Dropper a Fusion GPS Dossier? Call Strzok and Page - YouTube
    • I wanna this is Day 46
    • I'm gonna do the comments for the first two videos and I think you'll see how all this is kind of connected now
    • Last night it was great because all the videos I did yesterday were those were the fodder for Carlson Tucker Carlson--The whole hour and that Hannity the whole hour
    • Even Laura Ingraham and Bret Baier have picked up on this as 20 watergates as Kallstrom has said
    • But the first thing is that the mainstream media has to recognize that Strzok and Page are the key to the whole thing
    • They're that the henchman and henchwoman of Andrew McCabe
    • So that was out there last night
    • Now they still have this text message oh they just said nasty text messages about Trump
    • That's where we are today
    • Now I'm going to move everybody a little bit forward again
    • This is Fusion GPS--They're taking the dossier process.
    • You collect it with you Awans
    • You move it to the dossiers with Fusion GPS
    • And then you then you do reprisals with the FBI
    • And this Strzok and Page are that how you do reprisals
    • You forward it as a series of unrelated messages, but you you send a couple of pieces of the dossier over here one day
    • And then a couple more pieces over there
    • And what you're doing is you're you're doing the deep dives
    • You're doing the messages from Flynn to Kislyak
    • You're doing the Jared Kushner messages
    • You're sending them over like you're just picking these up one at a time
    • Like you don't already have this sitting over in a MicroPACT case management system over at Fusion GPS
    • Now I'm not sure if they use MicroPACT at Fusion GPS or what the case management system is
    • But it's going to be a case management system, a lot like Theresa Grafenstine's case management system
    • I'm not saying Theresa Graphenstine's case management system is being used by Fusion GPS, but somebody if you had access to a case management system like Theresa Grafenstine has at Fusion GPS, you could query that system, and then send little bits and pieces of the dossier
    • Like text messages
    • And you could make it look like actual investigative work
    • And if you're a fake enough like Peter Strzok that works out really well because everybody actually thinks you're an FBI agent
    • So the other piece to this is when you find smoke, when you find a conversation between Flynn and Kislyak, you then need a FISA warrant
    • You need a FISA warrant
    • Well you're never gonna go to a three-judge panel actually with the FISA warrant, but let's just say this is Lisa Page here you're gonna go to Lisa Page and say, "hey, Lisa do that FISA write-up and then we're gonna say it's lost paperwork or it never got over to a judge
    • Now if somebody does a warrant like now and does it drill down, then you just run down the street two three three three Constitution in the middle of the night
    • So your favorite judge and he signs off on it and they back-date it
    • And then you're good to go
    • You're gonna find this combination
    • It's not an affair--the reason why there is Zelig
    • I noticed they even use my Zelig there
    • They're the reason why they're Zelig and they're everywhere is because it's a tight system
    • You don't want 18 people involved in this
    • This is what I keep saying it's so few people are involved in this with McCabe
    • These are the two and I'm not this isn't Lisa Page I don't think
    • But this this is how tight it is
    • They're gonna go from place to place to place to place where you need to speed out this Fusion GPS stuff, to make it look like there's an investigation
    • And this has happened over and over again, for the last I would say 20 years
    • Now Lisa Page didn't get involved until 2006
    • There was a lawyer here in town named Megan something that was used before that
    • And I don't think really Lisa Page gets into the full swing until about 2008 2009
    • But--the roles change, but basically you have somebody sweeping up after you and covering you in case somebody finds out you're doing illegal surveillance okay
    • So it's just that simple
    • So that's how that'll come out tonight I think on Carlson and then Hannity picks it up
    • And then Bret Baier says--there's a story going on around here, but I think it's gonna lead to the helicopter and Otay and those helicopter rides they take
    • So I'm only go a little bit of the way you
    • {{ video cuts to long sequence of black}}
  • Day 46.2 Lisa Page, Have You Ever Been To Strongsville, OH? To the EAC? - YouTube
    • It's Day 46 this is part two and
    • Now I'm gonna go into the Strongsville Ohio connection from part two yesterday
    • People are asking me well why is this going so much faster why is this going so much faster
    • It seems like every day
    • Well Task Force is in the DC area and Task Force is helping me now
    • So you met Task Force earlier with the badge...mm-hmm I just wanted to let--that Task Force is helping me at inside professional who's dealt a lot in the law enforcement community
    • And this is about this is about feds coming into a local law enforcement, and basically taking over with their operation
    • And I'm gonna call this a State Department operation
    • And this is going to be an operation I talked about yesterday
    • And it's in Ohio
    • And you can see here that Lisa Page has these offenses of--affair interfering with official business and--doing wacky things with a car--get in front of the police officers and all this
    • You're gonna see all this wackiness
    • Why is Lisa Page doing all this wackiness out instructions
    • I'll play a little bit of it, "hey, this weird European Center there that got raided by the FBI
    • So for ten years we have a colorable operation range color-of-law operation ten years adoption object see if you read down a little bit farther worker it's got all of these kids from all these different countries from this mostly Ukraine
    • Now that would particularly significant
    • Again, a little bit farther into the State Department State Department state or a significant if it wasn't for the fact the State Department says the Sheriff through an adoption options the AC European adoption caucus all work from Bulgaria our handle all these countries and Ukraine Ukraine Ukrainian I realize the last one Ukraine Ukraine's the warrants the funnel for the Russian kids what they're doing is they're giving Russian kids and Russian families Ukrainian visas
    • So this was the Paul Manafort connection oh Manafort Paul Manafort Paul Manafort--okay
    • So they just
    • So the Mueller just took away Paul Manafort its bail conditions or they're against it
    • Somehow they think {{inaudible}} communicated with Paul Manafort maybe I don't know.
    • Wrong!
    • Andy's had a year to figure it out
    • Wrong! Bob Mueller
    • NO. What's happening is
    • Well let me just explain Strongsville
    • First of all Trump raided Strongsville
    • He met with Putin or his people met with Putin--they found out about this kind of breaking this is the Russian baby thing this isn't baby snatching
    • well maybe it is baby snatching
    • But they they raided it and the thing started in December, and then they raided it finally I think in February
    • And what is so beautiful about how this operation is run is you have these really great incredible parents through these religious organizations, trying to adopt these Russian kids
    • And they it takes forever and the the the kids--are older
    • And it just seems like oh my gosh these kids are never gonna get adopted
    • They're seven eight years old and it's these kind of folks here that are just the salt of the earth of Ohio
    • These are my parents...50 yrs ago
    • And these are just incredible people
    • They make what how'd the State Department runs this deal is you have a few people that are media fronting this operation
    • Which they are the most sincere people in the world
    • And then you have the Saipov babies coming in like there's no tomorrow
    • Everytime a Saipov trucker is going for another thing of uranium--taking another thing in uranium out, he's bringing a kid back
    • And you only need about 23 visas to reuse over and over again
    • They finally bust the operation in June this year okay
    • So they're shutting it down but
    • Again, the greed they just want to keep this thing going it's just it's it's amazing actually
    • And the fact that Jeff Sessions hasn't figured it out is quite quite amazing
    • And I wonder if there's any uranium dealings in Mobile, Alabama down there at the Naval Center
    • We'll get to that later
    • But anyway here's the Strongsville adoption agency
    • What they're doing is are bringing them up through Texas
    • And these Texas truckers I hate to go but down to the Texas shooting
    • Again, but Texas truckers there's going to be a network of about 2,000 of these truckers that are using the commercial drivers licenses--the commercial operators licenses for a very few set of trucking companies
    • And a whole bunch of different companies are gonna use those
    • If they get busted they get busted right for not having driver's licenses...
    • But they're bringing them up from the Mexican border and on these truckers, then if anybody ever gets arrested they throw Uzbeki truckers under literally under the truck, under the bus, and get them arrested
    • So you only need about twenty seven visas 23 visas what did Trump say that Saipov had about 23 visas?
    • And then you keep losing your visa
    • We keep printing new visas in in in Kingston, right?
    • And just keep losing visas printing visas losing visas printing visas
    • After well we got about--500 visas
    • These are the visas that are gonna be in the indictments in the sealed indictments
    • Now I'm daring Mueller I'm daring you right now to unseal those indictments
    • Because I know most of them are gonna be because of these duplicate visas the people using the duplicate visas
    • All you have to do is do is go to the TSA
    • And what's funny is Kirsten Kirsten and Nielsen the new DHS--she's from TSA--she knows how to do this match very quickly, and see that these visas have been used by different people
    • This is why the conspiracies collapse so quickly
    • So anyway the the history of abuses goes back a long way with this Center--this European adoption consultants--this EAC
    • I've had people way back when I mean I want to say a hundred day 150 go shoot video at this place after I was there the first time
    • And it's it's pretty much shut down now after the raid
    • But this goes back a long way, where there's all kinds of neglect while these babies are being stored in the Texas area
    • I'm not gonna say it's where the Texas shooting was but that's why it gets close to
    • And then they bring them up here when they have a match in Ohio
    • And I think there's gonna be Cincinnati
    • It's also gonna be Cleveland are the two places
    • And then I also think Minnesota
    • I think it's gonna be in near like Rochester Minnesota
    • They like the out-of-the-way places they don't like to go into Cleveland they're going to places that have a strong presence of law enforcement
    • They like to out-of-the-way places where they kind of control the Sheriff...
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